Socialism and communism

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BTFeather55 said:

mrstickball said:

BTFeather55 said:

     You must not have read the first part of A Christmas Carol because Scrooge only donated anything to the poor after he was visited by a few ghosts one night.  I didn't ignore the body of your message.  You said that the rich were going to stop donating to charity because they would have to pay 10% of that money to taxes.  If 10% going to taxes (which will further benefit the poor under Obama's plan) cuts down on the rich's donating to charity, then that just goes to show that they are not very charitable as you always try to say that they are.  I mean WWJD?  It's funny how you get p*ssed if someone ignores what you say when when everytime calls you on the bs you're spouting, you go on to say that person's comments were useless.

 

Jesus would place a high premium on giving to the poor as a civil act, and not a governmental one. Jesus never once stated that it was anyone else's responsibility to help the poor other than your own.

Also:

     I would if I was making over $250,000.00 a year.  As it is, I stand to benefit from Obama's social programs.  When I was working at a fast food restaurant and paying for company health insurance that wouldn't come anywhere near paying for blood work, a catscan, and a colonoscopy, I really could have used some subsidized government healthcare.  Mccain's plan was going to provide for a $2,000.00 tax credit for health insurance, but would that really have covered anything serious?  And, it is difficult to pay $4.00 a gallon for gas, drive eighty miles to work each day, for just eight dollars a day, then buy healthcare, videogames, take a hot chick to a movie.  If the government wants to help me out with all that I'm fine with it.  Bush sure didn't seem like he was very interested in doing so.

First off, your making a very stupid decision to drive 80 miles to work, and especially at $4.00 a gallon. Move closer to work, or find another job. Furthermore, taking a hot chick to a movie and buying video games are entirely luxury purchases, and are not needed to maintain life. Complain however you want, but we can't help it if you make poor decisions on work, and how you spend your discretionary income.

     Yeah, but according to you, the rich won't help the poor if they have to pay 10% of that amount in taxes.  Also, to be the people that traditionally try to throw Jesus' weight around, at the heart of the matter it appears that conservative / republicans only follow Jesus' teachings when it fits their purposes.

     I live in a county with a population of less than 10,000 people where the county seat of that county has a population of less than 1,000 people.  And there are no jobs in this county unless you are a farmer or in education.  The stores around here seem to only hire people that are in highschool or just out of highschool.  And there is only one factory.  Furthermore the people of this county voted to not have an interstate connection to I-75 hooked up here way back in the 1930s, and I live in the middle of the county, so it is about 40 miles in any direction from jobs or services of any kind.  But this is where my parents moved after my father graduated from law school because his uncle was a political bigwig in a neighboring county and you don't have to pay back as much of your educational loans here to professional schools like the law school or local medical school if you move to one of the rural areas to work.

     Then, after my parents were married for thirty years, they got divorced and my dad married two more times before he died leaving his third wife of a couple of years all of his money while I didn't receive anything.  Anyway, I don't own a car right now, so I'm kind of stuck here.  And, in the neighboring counties, a couple of college communities, they like to keep people from here from moving there, so they have jacked up the rent in those counties to well over $400.00 a month on even the smallest one bedroom apartment, so it is hard to work there for minimum wage and be able to buy decent food to survive on as well.

     You might view such purchases as luxury goods that aren't needed to maintain life; however, if you can't take a lady out on a date, that definitely puts a damper on your ability to propagate life.  And how is a person going to advance their aesthetic or educational sensibilities if they can't afford dvds, cds, books, games, or movie tickets?

 

1) Where in this entire thread have I even talked about rich people giving less due to the change in tax structure for charitable giving? I never got involved in that debate. Don't say I said something, when I didn't.

2) Taking a lady on a date can be a lot cheaper than you think. Instead of paying $20 to go to the movies, why not go to a park? Instead of taking her out to eat for another $20-40, why not cook her food and spend far less? Besides, she'll think your far more romantic if you make her something than pay some schmoe to make it instead. And how the heck do you advance educational sensibilities with DVDs, CDs, Games or movies? Those are some of the most 1-dimensional products out there. You aren't going to learn a whole lot from those things. Don't act like you 'need' them. You do not. I'm not saying those products are 'bad', but if you are struggling to make ends meet, they are the last thing you need to buy. Just go to your local library and rent DVDs/CDs, and find internet games that are free. Watch movies on hulu.com. That way you save a lot of cash.