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Rpruett on 12 March 2009
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Squilliam said:
Rpruett said:
Squilliam said:

Nintendo absolutely crushes Sony when you consider their respective profit during the PS1/PS2 years. They were even MORE successful than Sony and have always been so. They could never be called a failure because they made too much money.

The reason why the PS3 hasn't been put down is because its called a playstation. 5M people bought it at $600 with no games and Sony was willing to eat billions of dollars in loses to move the things. Eating the losses or going quietly doesn't matter both are incredible failures.

 

Nintendo easily could have been called a failure in the N64/Gamecube eras according to you.  Are you counting Nintendo's profit from Hand-helds and consoles or only their consoles? If we're talking about consoles then let's talk about consoles.  The two need separated.

The reason the PS3 hasn't been put down is because it's called a playstation and because 5 million people bought it at 600$?   Yet you're calling it a failure?  LOL.   Your logic is absolutely absurd. If the PS3 was such a failure people wouldn't buy it, especially at that absurd 600$ price tag. Yet you're saying they won't get rid of it because people still bought it at 600$?  Excellent logic.  LOL.

 

How many games did the 360 have initially? How many people bought it at the 400$ price point with few games?  How many games does the Wii have? 

 

 

Again,

 

When/If Sony discontinues the PS3 early,  they lose tons of game support, sales fall off the map, they have trouble 'giving' away the system.  Then you can come back and talk about how big of a failure the PS3 is/was.  Not until though.

 

First party software makes the difference here:

Nintendo GC: 26 Million sellers with 64.5 Million total giving an average of 2.5M per game.

Sony PS3: 8 Million sellers with 18 Million total giving an average of 2.25M per game.

The development cost of those Sony PS3 games are at least twice as high and Nintendo earnt an average of $90 revenue per console sold just from their own first party games @ $30 per game. ($2B total)

Im not talking about whether or not people buy the PS3 out of brand loyalty. They have gained NOTHING from releasing the PS3 and lost almost everything. They are third, they lost at least $3B dollars, they lost billions of dollars worth of goodwill from the industry. The Xbox 1 lost about as much money but at least Microsoft gained something from it. What exactly has Sony gained?

 

Again this generation is far, far, far , far, far from over.   While it might not change 'positions' of the three companies it certainly will effect the overall 'loss' of 3B or whatever number you are currently claiming.  As you know the PS3 is on the verge of making a profit per console and actually will increase profits on future titles.  You are implying that the generation is over currently.  The PS3 cannot be a failure yet.  It is still selling competitvely (Even outselling the 360 which is half it's price)   Like I have stated several times :

 

 

When/If Sony discontinues the PS3 early,  they lose tons of game support, sales fall off the map, they have trouble 'giving' away the system.  Then you can come back and talk about how big of a failure the PS3 is/was.  Not until though.

 

 

It's just that simple.