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noname2200, casual and mainstream are two different things. But I don't disagree with half of what your saying I just think this whole topic has gone crazy. The OP has already made it more than clear it's about popularity and mainstream appeal. I am arguing under the topic name "most important video game consoles." I guess my overall point is "important" shouldn't mean it was important because it sold a lot of systems or appealed to new players but "important" because the systems innovate and advance the field itself. What's "important" to you?

And I'm sorry I didn't address half of what you said but I'm at work and I'm exhausted. From now on out I'm just going to state my opinion and leave it at that. I really don't have anything to prove, as countless other posts on this topic have backed me up that the original Xbox, not the 360, deserve credit. If it was fanboy tripe based on favorite systems I'd pick the 360 in a heartbeat over the original. I'm not doing that, I had logical well stated reasons why I felt the original broke ground. And all that's been done is that every single thing I say is picked apart word by word as everyone just rips into it one way or another. You think after all this time I would realize that debating anything online is pointless, but thank you for your views and opinions and I do respect them.