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TheRealMafoo on 01 March 2009
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akuma587 said:
TheRealMafoo said:

 

Additionally, you can not have a law that's pro collectivism and pro human rights. Thus, if you are for a law that is pro collectivism, you are for a law that's against human rights.

Give me an example where that logic is not true.

 

What about a law that allows a woman to go and get an abortion?  Or a law that allows black people to eat in the same restaurants as white people?  Or the right for someone to not be a slave?  Did people have those rights before we formed a government?

Jackson brings up some great points.  When did people ever have the right to tax each other?  You are deluding yourself if you think that people can't give government powers that none of them had to begin with.  That is one of the main reasons why societies create governments in the first place.

 

 

Do you think the video or I are claiming that all laws are collectivism by nature? The law that allows a woman to get an abortion only exists because someone passed a law that said she couldn't. If government had no law either way on the matter, she would be free to have one or not. If government stayed out of it, those rights would exist for her.

Some laws are in place to protect your rights.

As for taxes, if the purpose of collecting taxes is to run the government for the good of all, then it's not infringing on your human rights. Especially if it's a county your free to leave.

So to use the village example. If I am a fisherman, and I am expected to work an hour a day after my hunt to help maintain the village, then that's OK. If instead, I decide to give some of my catch to someone so he can do that hour for me, that's OK too. If the village decides to make it a rule that the villagers just give an hour's worth of whatever they do for a living to the village, so they can use it as pay for people dedicated to do work needed to keep the village running, that's fine as well (taxes).

if when I get back from my day of work, and the village takes 2 hours worth of my catch, and uses one hour worth to take care of government, and just redistributes the other hour's worth of fish to the people, that's an infringement on my human rights. I am now forced to work an hour a day in the service of others. That hour's worth of taxes is against the constitution, and my human rights. The first hour of taxes is acceptable.