Windows 7 will only run 3 applications at once

[Impulsivity]

redspear said:

Impulsivity said:

   I know a lot of people on the microsoft defense train like to avoid facts (since MS ALWAYS comes up shady when facts are involved) but Apple paid Xerox for the right to the technology, primarily by allowing Xerox to buy shares at a lower prefered rate (and providing millions in other forms of compensation) which was a good deal for Xerox since they were pretty much mothballing their GUI project.

 

   Alternately MS did not pay anyone for Windows, they didn't pay apple (in fact they took the macs and aped them after promising not to explicitly), they didn't pay Xerox, they just copied and went on.

   This apple and MS are the same thing is bull.  Apple has revolutionized multiple markets with original ideas over and over, while there has not been an original MS idea pretty much ever (ok maybe the sphere, but who the hell wants that?)

  PDAs? Apple Newton, touch screen on a PDA/phone again Newton then Iphone, functional consumer GUI and mouse? mac, consumer PCs? Apple II, touch screen phone interface? Iphone. every big feature in Windows 7, particularly the icon task bar? OS X

  There are a few things like hard drive MP3 players they weren't the first on the scene with, but they are undoubtedly better at it then their competition in those cases.

   I can't think of an instance where MS entered an established market with a superior product either.  IE was not at all superior to Netscape, Windows mobile blows, Windows has been way behind Mac OS X for years and the Zune is a rip off of ipods from 3+ years ago in pretty much every way.  That's not even including video games where pretty much everything has been a copy (yes even xbox live, anyone who had a dreamcast knows Seganet was first on that too).  When they enter new markets they do so with an inferior product, usually with reliatilibty issues (see the zunes not working on certain days, the 360 overheating, vista crapping out on countless millions, huge gaping security holes ect).

   So yah, they are not the same company AT ALL, I have no idea why people try to paint them with the same brush.

 

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=950DE7DE1E39F936A25751C1A96F948260

The Xerox Corporation filed suit here today against Apple Computer Inc., accusing it of unlawfully using Xerox copyrights in its Macintosh and Lisa computers.

Xerox contends that the Lisa and Macintosh software stems from work originally done by Xerox scientists and that it was used by Apple without permission.

 

Apple NEVER paid XEROX a dime. Apple outright stole it. However the case I mentioned was thrown out because of statue of limitations. It was the result of a suit by Apple against HP and MS and the court only found that HP had violated apples IP with the trash Icon otehr than that apple lost its case.

Xerox had a monopoly status in the 70s and its ability to protect its IP was severly limited. The people I know who worked on PARC stated many times they were mad because XEROX did not properly protect itself and allowed for the apples and MSs of the world to encroach.

The Mouse and GUI were developed by PARC...Xerox's mouse even had 2 buttons.... The mouse had been around since the early 70's and liek everything else Apple gutted the mouse and GUI took away features and sold it as there own.

The PDA phone had been around for a long time before the IPhone I know because I used them. I was even able to get full internet not the mobile internet because of Opera. The Spotlight and Widget features in 10.4 on was in the longhorne betas in 2002 before even 10.3 came out and was available as a download before for XP in 2003 though it was buggy then.

Both Apple and MS and pretty much any copany buys up IPs from smaller company's. Example Coverflow. I use both OS X and Windows. I prefer the Windows enviroment but some programs I like are available only on the Mac like FCP. It all depends on wat I am working on.

 

Just a fast Edit because I don't want to be the mindless fanboy giving credit to the wrong people. THe Mouse was actually developed in the 60's at Stanford.

  First I didn't say PDA phone, I said PDA from which most smart phones are based.  The Newton was the first PDA as its traditionally understood (though some would claim the casio 3000 would be the first PDA, it was in effect a calculator looking device that could store names as well as numbers).  It had handwriting recognition, multiple aplications, onboard memory, a touch screen and many more features standard on todays PDAs.  Yes Nokia made a PDA phone before the iphone, but did not come before Apples Newton PDA (nor did Palm).  The Newton was only mildly successful due mainly to its high price and Jobs killed it to work on the ipod and later iphone instead.

   As to Xerox getting money from apple it DID in fact happen.  "In December 1979, the Xerox Palo Alto Research Center developed the first prototype for a GUI. A young man named Steve Jobs, looking for new ideas to work into future iterations of the Apple computer, traded US $1 million in stock options to Xerox for a detailed tour of their facilities and current projects. One of the things Xerox showed Jobs and other members of the Apple Lisa team was the Alto machine, which sported a GUI and a three-button mouse."

   Apple did not take an alto back with them, did not directly copy the OS or anything involved (other then the basic idea of the GUI) and had a program leading to the macintosh in progress at the time with Apple II money.  They were sued in 1989 by Xerox in a money grab lawsuit, but they HAD provided Xerox compensation for the look at the Alto in the form of the million dollars in options.

   The mouse was first invented in the 60s as a tool only scientests could use, but like in the case of the CASIO the early mice used by those scientists bared little resemblance to the commercially successful mac mouse that had much greater utility for the average consumer.  

 

   If you're going to go to the widget/gadget system neither apple nor MS created that, it was from Yahoo, swing and a miss on that one.

 

  There is a difference between a prototype and a comercially viable product too.  Xerox may have had a prototype of a GUI but that doesn't mean it was a functional consumer product like the macintosh was just like there were hobbyist machines before the Apple I and II (but that doesn't mean that the Apple I and II weren't the first successful consumer machines either).  

   There is a difference between being first in theory (IE I'm sure 2000 years ago at least someone hit a round object with a stick a few times but that doesn't mean he invented baseball) and first in terms of having an actualized product.  Apple has been first in having an actualized product many, many times.  Microsoft has never once been first with an actualized product, never.  You can make an arguement that there was an obscure product in the shadows before Apple made the standard version (say OMG there was the Archon Hard Drive MP3 player before the ipod! if you must) but Apple didn't just tweak it, it revolutionized it (ditto with the macintosh, the Apple II, the iphone ect).  If you want tweaking with no real innovation look at Windows, the zune, internet explorer, .net, the Xbox and all the rest of the Microsoft me too products.  Microsoft products aren't even evolutionary much less revolutionary.