richardhutnik said:
shio seems to be getting overly defensive at this point. It is a shame, but this is why I am feeling the conversation is over. I was looking at what drives the industry and growth, and shio goes off and rants about, "BUT PCs HAVE GOOD INDIE DESIGNS! Doesn't matter how well they sell, but they are good!" At this point, it becomes two conversations, and is pretty much over. Let me go on the records to say sales are not always a measure of quality. However, they do show what kind of funding future projects will get, and if they are able to justify sufficient funding to make them be considered AAA. A good, low budget game can come about. I just finished with Miner: Dig Deep. That is a low budget (200 Credit) XBox 360 Community game. It has very low production budget, and is low production in visuals and sound. Does the job, and is addictive. Can't see it being worth more than that. It has the same roughness that indie titles usuall do. Oh yes, and the QA is a bit off. The game has bugs and glitches. As I got all the equipment and still continued to play, around 1400 meters down, the game froze up on me. High production catches this. Of course, you get some lower profile titles with high quality, like Puzzle Quest. And Popcap does these also. But the mass appeal games, will end up needing to be bigger budget in all ways, and end up likely leading on consoles. These equivalent to movie blockbusters, will be what drives industry growth. |
You are twisting my words - I said that it doesn't matter if a game is indie or not, only how good the game is. But you still dismiss games based on their mass appeal/marketing, which is VERY idiotic.
So what if a game has almost no ads... The game is still there for people that are interested. The game may not be interesting for you but it could be game of the year for another guy. Audiosurf is a great example of an indie game that is awesome. If MGS4 was an indie game, would you ignore it because it was indie?
Seriously, look at Sins of a Solar Empire. It may have found a publisher, but the game could've been very well an indie effort: it was made by only 4 guys with a budget of less than $1 million. Furthermore, the game was an 4X/RTS Hybrid, which should be called a niche type of game.
| Final-Fan said: I agree, it seems like shio was not debating the same topic as you were. |
Check my previous post to see what we're talking about. As I said, richardhutnik believes that indie and niche games should be ignored because they don't have enough mainstream appeal/marketing.
