| richardhutnik said: To address some of Shio's comments: 1. I spoke about computer centers in developing nations as where growth will come for PC gaming there. People there aren't at an economic level where the majority of them can afford their own PCs. So, they play in computer centers that are like arcades in the past. If tthey do happen to get a computer it most likely won't be Windows-based. With the global economy what it is, it will be interesting to see if the trend will reverse any time soon. |
So you atleast admit that developed nations can be PC-centric, right? Because the vast majority of the most developed european countries are PC-centric, and I'm talking about coutries like Germany, France, Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Norway, Austria, Netherlands, Switzerland and Iceland.
| richardhutnik said: 2. The reason why getting attention matters is that this part is called, MARKETING. Without marketing, the games don't nearly generate the same level of sales. This is why attention matters. On a platform like the PC, which has no barriers to entry, you will find that it is bound to get some good, obscure titles for it, just by number of developers who want to prove themselves. If, for example, Sins of A Solar Empire were not published by Stardock, it wouldn't of done nearly as well as it did. It would of been lost in the shuffle. This is why MARKETING and advertising and publishers matter. And, in this area, it is why top console games will usually do better than top PC games. They get greater advertising, for example. You boast about "oh multiple titles broke a million on the PC!". Well titles on consoles do more than that. You do get something like World of Warcraft, but the level beneath that is owned by consoles. And this attention adds up. It is why people who design games want to get on consoles, because the market is more of a captured market, and piracy is a lesser issue, thus more sales. Your defensiveness over indie games is bordering on absurd. I am talking about the importance of marketing, and you are whining, "But but... games no one knows about are good to!". That is nice, but doesn't affect the bottom line, which is what matters from an INDUSTRY standpoint. |
UGGGHHH.... 99% of PC games are NOT advertised! So by your reasoning we should completely ignore 99% of PC games?!
Audiosurf did NOT have ads, so we should say it didn't exist? King's Bounty: The Legend (great SRPG) did NOT have ads, so we should believe it didn't exist?! Galactic Civilizations 2 did NOT have ads, so we should ignore it?! Etc...
UGGHH, it like I'm talking to a wall. Why does it matter if a game has advertisement or mass appeal? Not all games need ads to be successful. And why you do think Consoles are losing exclusive games and support from small developers? It's because Console games are much more expensive, and that is making publishers hurt since the costs are so high.
What matters to the Industry is for the games to be successful, and if a game can have that with only 100k sold, then all the better. Everything you said is completely wrong.
| richardhutnik said: 3. The reason for XBox Live Marketplace sales to console sales, shows why retail sales matter, and why advertising and marketing matters. There are reasons why Live sales don't match up to retail sales. It has to do with marketing. A game like Halo gets ads. It also gets into slurpies and so on. It is a cultural icon. The closest thing PCs games have is World of Warcraft, which ends up in other spots, like in Toyota Trucks. It is why you have over 11 million users, because of this cultural penetraion. This is what counts, and PC games generally don't have the same level. Thus, the consoles become the eventual destination for developers. |
Do I have to explain again?! Retail has been SHIFTING to Digital Distribution and other online venues. It is evolution for PC. Why can't you understand that?
Xbox sales have NOTHING to do with PC. UGHHH...
| richardhutnik said: 4. Let's see, retail sales for PC gaming was less than 1/3 of online sales. Ok, so let's say it was 1/4. PC sales clocked retail clocked in at less than 1 billion. So, multiply it times four, and you end up with PC game sales being around $4 billion (of course it is less, but let me humor you and use numbers YOU agree to). That is less that console sales. The PC market is smaller than consoles, and shows no indication of this trend reversing. |
Dude, you are only comparing revenue for the US, the only Console-centric big Region in the world... Now do the same with Europe and Asia, and you'll have a big surprise.
PC probably had only like 3% at the beginning of the 80's, so one would be surprised that PC is now nearly as big as the entire console market.
| richardhutnik said: 5. You ask for evidence. Go ahead and show evidence that AS A PERCENTAGE, PC gaming is gaining on consoles. Go and do it. PC games may grow, but consoles grow faster. Go ahead and show otherwise. If you try to go here: http://blog.wired.com/games/2008/11/study-pc-gaming.html That isn't going to be pretty to what you are trying to prove. |
What? I asked you for proof of your argument like I did with mine, and all you came up was a study about PC hardware??!! Dude, I'm talking about Software Revenue, why did you even bring up hardware... just find something about games.
