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akuma587 on 15 February 2009
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Soleron said:
Avalach21 said:
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God isn't "Stuff."  God isn't in "time" or "space."  God doesn't exist in our "universe."  So therefore a hypothetical "God" doesn't fall under the laws that govern our universe.  So if there were to be a "God" it would be impossible for us to understand him, or his existance, and questions such as "how did he come to exist?" make no sense, becasue he doesn't "exist" in our sense of the word.  This is why it is hard (impossible) for science to prove or disprove God, because you can't test something that does not follow the rules of science.

1. Our universe is deterministic (all things have a cause). If God is outside these rules, he cannot affect the universe at all. He can't talk to people or perform miracles. I assume you believe in a personal (interventionist) God? You can't have both.

2. Even if there is such a supernatural cause to the universe, your description doesn't imply any of the qualities usually assigned to "God" - a cause outside time need not be sentient, or benevolent, or intefering, or omniscient/potent/present.Suppose a lump of extradimensional cheese caused the universe. If I call that cheese "God", it fits your description but is not appropriate to worship.

Conclusion: Whether or not something supernatural created the universe has no bearing on traditions of religion or religious belief.

 

Couldn't have said it better myself! 

The supernatural cause argument does not make the cause for Christianity or any other religion stronger.  If anything, it probably makes the argument for any one religion WEAKER because you are essentially conceding that the ultimate force that created the universe is unknowable and could very well be a lump of cheese or what have you.

 



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