Do you think Darwin is right

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akuma587 said:

Slimebeast said:

You've read Dawkins too much. He doesn't address the problem of the first cause (as much as he should for a person that attacks theism as much as he does). The fallacy of tribe religions throughout history in this world doesn't disqualify God.

It boils down to something very simple though - the first cause. Stuff don't come out of nothing without a reason. I'm sure you as a former zealot has asked many times - where did we come from? Why and how is there anything - there shouldn't be any stuff! And by all logic there must be a reason.

Multiverse is a horrible invention to address that problem. It's insulting. But it's the only explanation if you can't accept a God as an explanation. (because just like the guy in the article argued, multiverse is the only plausible natural mechanistic cause to explain why the universe came to being 13.5 billion years ago and not 13.500000000000000000000001 years ago or any other number you can come up with)

 

 

You are making a big assumption there.  You claim that scientists are making huge assumptions, but then you go and make one yourself.  I'll throw it right back at you then.  What created God?  You said it yourself that "stuff don't come out of nothing without a reason."  You are limiting yourself to thinking in terms of strict causation.  Eventually, something would have to come out of nothing, whether it be God or the universe.  So believing in God means that you believe that there can be something without a form of causation.  So thus, you have disproved your own argument.

 

 

God isn't "Stuff."  God isn't in "time" or "space."  God doesn't exist in our "universe."  So therefore a hypothetical "God" doesn't fall under the laws that govern our universe.  So if there were to be a "God" it would be impossible for us to understand him, or his existance, and questions such as "how did he come to exist?" make no sense, becasue he doesn't "exist" in our sense of the word.  This is why it is hard (impossible) for science to prove or disprove God, because you can't test something that does not follow the rules of science.