@akuma587
I am not saying in this part of the discussion that abortion should be outlawed (which I don't think it should be fully), I am referring to his stance that government should leave people to do as they will. I believe it is one of ignorance, and is completely independant of the abortion issue. And as far as lawyers helping others, I am referring to my home town and the counties in the area in which I live. I have seen many cases where poor people had a very good case against an organization and yet could do nothing because the lawyers preferred to protect their interests because they had clients that were somehow connected to these organizations and companies.
I'm talking about school boards, health organizations, construction companies, city government, etc. Each one protecting the other because of vetted interest and benefits thus created an almost impenetrable network for an average person. Even the immediate counties surrounding the county in question wouldn't have anything to do with these cases because of the level at which it transcended. In one particular case, even lawyers and organizations in the next state continued to defend the case of the original county and/or refused to have anything to do with it. Now these people who have found themselves in these situations could definitely WIN their cases, but because of the magnitude of the cases, they would have to somehow raise enough money to hire a lawyer outright or get enough public support for an outcry that might generate lawyer interest somewhere in the globe. But the thing with these organizations and companies is that rarely do these things happen to where it is obvious. They use verbal communication instead of written, PR spin, individual intimidation, and legal tricks to manipulate their employees and the public. They get cocky and slip up occasionally though which makes these cases, but they still are secretive enough that they get away with all kinds of misjustices. And with those secretive methods, even with firm evidence, it is hard to get lawyers to take the task unless they have the huge amounts they request or if somehow you get lucky enough to get the media on your side. Either way it is much harder than it should be and it shows that the gap between the poor and those in power is much bigger than it should be.
And according to your first comment about drug cartels, I was referring to the natural setup when anybody gets too much money. The drug cartels could be another example of a company or militant group or mofia or anything that would have power if the government would stop doing anything. They would become the NEW government of sorts.
But in regards to your comment that the government caused the drug cartel situation as it is, so you are saying that you would rather people to be killed by drugs than for people to be killed by drug dealors as we are trying to stop them? Do you know what most of the drugs do to you? Have you been completely sober and been around people doing drugs or overdosing, etc. Have you ever worked in a hospital and seen people convulsing, bleeding, vomiting, dying? Don't you know that alcohol is a leading cause of death in the US and it is legal? What if we made all substances legal? Do you think less people would die from using them? lol. I guarantee if we legalized all drugs, that we would see a MASSIVE increase in the deaths in this country and that it would far outweigh the deaths and homocides caused by the drug market today. The main difference is that instead of being a black market situation the drug cartels would resemble, as mentioned, companies, but because of the addictive nature of the drugs, they would end up becoming far more powerful and definitely begin to influence what would end up being the new government. This influence would make the government even more corrupt, not because a drug itself makes a dealer corrupt, but because making money off of people's addictions and declining health when you know it is wrong makes them corrupt and willing to do anything for power and money. Also when dealing with an addictive substance, it is natural for someone to become accustomed to satisfying needs regardless of your situation or people's welfare. Eventually we would have another government, but one almost "completely" ruled by people who crave power instead of the checks and balances that we have now.
Edited: Oh and you seem to have assumed about me, I actually lean far Liberal, and even though I'm pro-life, I don't think that abortion should be outlawed in its entirety as I said. I'm pro-life in the same way that I believe in equal rights for all. I believe they go hand-in-hand. And as for the Republican and Democratic parties specifically, I think it is ridiculous that people think things are so black and white that we should only have two parties. Hardly anything is black or white. However, I do acknowledge that this is the current setup that we have and that it is the only way to get people elected at the current time. In some ways, I think the current setup could be a result of our affinity toward sports teams. We like to see two sides battling it out for the win. We like to have the competition and unity it creates amongst ourselves.
