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@jetrii,So what part (s) of uncharted got you foaming at the mouth ,some of mine was the lighting plus the water especially some of the still water i thought it was as good if not better than bioshocks and also some of the little things like the mortar between the brick work on some of the old ruins, the flora looked great to only thing was even when the ground was covered in vegetation it still had a flat platform feel to the surfaces.by the way sorry about calling you thick skulled but you made it seem like Geurilla had made kz2 look like it did because it was easier, rather than that how that world is,the fact is both machines have strengths and weaknesses as do game engines i have a friend in the industry who is a machine code programmer and he loves the ps3 because he is in demand ,my understanding of mc is that to c++ programmers its appears like a strange language,so how is it integrated and does mc help with the compiling problem with the sp's sorry i dont know much



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