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Kantor said:
mibuokami said:
Kantor said:
mibuokami said:
Kantor said:

That's different. That's evolution. Changes in skin colour and the like. Minor changes.

If an African, Mongolian or Aborigine was unable to breathe without a helmet, yes, I would call them a mutant.

You realize the only reason they have the helmet is as a symbol right? The Helghast helmet was orignally only worn by working class because the smelting process is toxic. There is a reason why the average life expectancy of the original colonist was less than 30. By the third generation, the Helghast were already adapting, the lunge that they were born with could withstand the toxic atmosphere far better than their the first generation colonist, again evolution.

Visari encourage people to wear the helmet because it act as a symbol of the struggle the Helghan went through to survive. They do not need to wear the helmet to breath, Visari needed the helmet to give the Helghast an identity and unit them for his vision.

On re-examining of the Story So Far, you're right.

They are effectively humans, but that's not what Visari wants them to think. He wants them to think they are above humanity, they are "extra-human".

They're humans, but they're traitors. I can see the reasoning behind what they did, but they did not choose the best course of action.

They're that kind of "so good they're bad" species that make perfect enemies.

Traitors to what? They're the wrong party here! The war began when ISA renegaded on a trade agreement they sold to the colony of Alpha Centuari when they were cash strapped. It escalated to a one sided bloodbath and planetary bombardment of Vecta when Earth came in force and smashed the technologically inferior colony who had no standing military to speak of (they best they had was militia) and throw together ships that were not built for war. The Alpha Centuari colonist were outgunned and unjustly deprived of their land, true the recent action of Visari is nothing to write home about but calling the Helghast traitors is like calling the the British colonies in America traitors for their part in the War of Indepedence.

The only difference is that they won.

The action of Visari is certainly distasteful and wrong but he is by no mean the only 'bad guy' around, the ISA in fact, can be held accountable for far more death than Visari's war.

 

Aha. Thus, we have another comparison.

The Nazi similarity is there certainly, but what about the Pacific Theatre? Japan and the USA? Fat Man and Little Boy killed far more Japanese than the Japanese killed Americans, and yet the Americans are seen as the good guys. Mostly because they won, partly because it supposedly avoided more deaths.

So yes, the ISA have caused more death than Visari, but they have done it for a better reason, it seems.

Just because Visari was pressured into being evil doesn't mean it's okay. If somebody is pressured into killing another human, does that mean they aren't guilty of murder?

Better reason? A cash strapped earth sold the trading right to the citizen of Alpha Centauri for a huge sum of cash, then realize that the citizen they sold it to was getting a fat and hefty profit and decided to renegade on the agreement and invade the colony, smashed any resistence and bombard citizens when the colony refuse to surrdender is doing it for a better reason?

Bush can at least say that their might be WMD in Iraq when he started that war but this conflict began with pure naked greed. They then went ahead and colonize Vecta with loyal Earth citizens and treated the original colonist like third class citizens. When the violence between the extremist resistence force and invader finally got too much for the common citizen and force them into exile, it was the ISA that forced an embargo on the planet thus killing thousands through lack of medical aidand outright starvation.

The ISA of killzone feels more like the cliche and stereoptypical faceless heartless corporation whose mercenary ambitions and thirst for power come at the cost of human life.