WessleWoggle said:
bigjon said:
WessleWoggle said:
bigjon said:
WessleWoggle said:
bigjon said:
ok, I like the fact your open about it at least.
It just seems many atheist are more "zealous" about atheism, than religiuos people are in their religion. Like even in this thread, you dont see.
I am a christian, what any reason about person who does not want to burn in hell will be.
but you do see,
I am an atheist, with some sort of followup or whatnot.
As far as a supreme being goes, I think many people do not want to believe in a God because it limits their freedoms. If there is no god there is no moral authority except maybe the golden rule. That is why they dont want to believe in a God, it is not necessarily the reason they dont. To many it is illogical.
Personally I think both sides of the coin come down to faith. theist see the order of creation as a proof of a supreme being, athiest try to find science (most of the things they have come up with are faulty at best). Based on hard concrete evidence neither side has enough to prove their case. Christians have always known it comes down to faith, it is the same for many Athiest, they just dont know it.
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Believing in god limits freedoms? No sir. When I believed in a God I didn't do anything different, because I had nothing different to do. It limited my freedoms in no way. When I was a christian I still a doper, and I still had gay thoughts, but as a christian I though I knew the will of God, which was peace, love, understanding, and balance.
Believing in God didn't limit any of my freedoms morally. All it did was limit my critical thinking skills.
Both sides of the coin do not come down to faith! This is a bullshit argument I've heard far too much.
I, as an atheist, believe in observable reality, nothing more. Theists and people of other religions, believe in things outside of obervable reality, which takes faith to believe in, because you cannot observe things outside of observable reality.
Atheism has nothing to do with science. I don't believe in everything science says, and nothing science teaches has anything to do with my non belief in things outside of observable reality. I only believe in the scientific process, which is, observe, test, and repeat. Science, is based on observable reality, which we can use the scientific process on. We cannot use the scientific process on anything outside of observable reality, and that's why theism is called faith, it's about something outside of obervable reality. Atheism is about rejecting the concept of God. Atheists can observe that there's no observable evidence for God, which means there's no observable reason to believe in god.
Observable reality is where the line is drawn when it comes to faith. Most atheists only believe in observable reality, where as theists believe in things outside of observable reality, that's why it's faith. Now that you have heard what I have to say on this issue do you still think atheism is based on faith? If so, why?
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Since no one was there to observe the beginning of the earth do you believe nothing about it, dont you ever wonder how we got here?
We have nothing but theories and speculation about the begginning of the universe from a scientific perspective, and from a creationist perspective we have the Bible.
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It's useless to wonder about things that currently have no explaination, mankind as a whole should not be caught up in wasting times on unobservable concepts like god, and should be focused on obervable concepts like happiness and peace.
Your second argument is redundant, the bible is also theorys and speculation, just much older, and it's only based upon the thoughts and feelings of men, rather than the scientific process.
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That is your opinion. I consider the Bible to be inspired by God. It was written by 60 different human authors over 3 different contintents over a period of 2000 years, and yet is a cohesive work that never controdicts itself (people try to find controdictions, but always fail). The only explantion of this is a single divine author. Nothing in the Bible has ever been proven wrong, people chose not to believe many of the miracles but they cannot prove them wrong.
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Not, that is not my opinion. It's observable reality. When you compare christianity to all other religions, they can't all be right. They are therefore either all delusions within the minds of men, or all false forms of some divine truth, because all religions are based upon older religions.
The bible never contradicts itself? Are you ignorant, or just a serious verse bender(a verse bender is someone who bends bible verses to make them all into somekind of cohesive metaphor)?
Nothing in the bible has been proven wrong? Now I know you're on better drugs than me.
Take a look here: http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/
Check out contradictions and science sections.
Or, just google contradictions in the bible.
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