Proof of evolution

[akuma587]

appolose said:

Sqrl said:

appolose said:

akuma587 said:
I would like to know when being religious and being so hostile towards science became so intertwined. I mean if God can do anything, why couldn't he have just done everything through evolution? Because its not in Genesis? When Genesis was written, people still believed that demons possessed people on a regular basis (what we know now as mental illness) and that the earth was flat.

Do people really think they wrote Genesis with anything scientific in mind? Is it really such a stretch of the imagination to just say that they had no idea what they were talking about at least from a scientific perspective? Last time I checked, the Bible is a religious book, not a science textbook.

 

Guess who, Akuma?  :)

2nd part: ... Yes.  Inspired -> All True

1st part.   We (or I) are not hostile towards science; just this particular movement amongst scientists.  *Confession time*  I do not think evolution is correct, and that's not just because I think it it contradicts the Bible.

Now, why would I be so against the idea of God using evolution?  Because, according to my understanding of Genesis, the Earth was created only 6,000 years ago, and death only arose after the fall, so you'll probably guess as to why that might cause a slight contradiction between the two.

What precludes god from creating the heaven's and the earth with the appearence of being much older as a way to help sate the unquentiable curiosity of mankind?

And would it not ruin, or at least significantly diminish, the experience for him to tell us that's what he did?

From a strictly logical viewpoint neither evolution nor Big Bang Theory have any real bearing on the "Is there a god?" question.

 

I agree that the idea of God (in general) does not in any way lend itself to the ideas of either evolution or the Big Bang theory.

Yes, nothing (immediately) bars God from creating an apparently old universe; however, the theology I hold about the idea of God does.  My belief of God is that God inspired all of the writings of the Bible, that God is never wrong  and never lies, and that the Bible claims the Earth is 6000 years old, and, therefore, I am forced to conclude that both evolution (at least, historically speaking) and the Big Bang are untrue.  In conclusion, it is my specific beliefs about God that disclude evolution and the Big Bang.  Some, of course, think that the creation account is metaphorical, and, for them, Christianity and Evol. can coexist.

If that's what you were getting at (I'm having reading comprehension troubles to-deigh)!

Really, it does?  The Bible comes out and claims that the earth is 6000 years old?  I must have missed that.

You are mistaking what an earlier Christian scholar did by interpreting facts in the Bible to conclude that the Bible claims that the earth is 6000 years old.  Just because someone says that the Bible claims something is true doesn't mean the Bible actually claims that it is true.

How could the length of days even be measured before the sun was created?  What if those days were 24 and 1/2 hours, or 48 hours, or 6 million years, or 2 billion years?  I don't remember the Bible claiming that those days were 24 hours long.

According to the Bible, I can change sheep to speckled and spotted if I just put that pattern before their eyes when they have babies.  The Bible says it!  It has to be true!

Genesis 30:31-70 (King James Version)

 

 31And he said, What shall I give thee? And Jacob said, Thou shalt not give me any thing: if thou wilt do this thing for me, I will again feed and keep thy flock.

 32I will pass through all thy flock to day, removing from thence all the speckled and spotted cattle, and all the brown cattle among the sheep, and the spotted and speckled among the goats: and of such shall be my hire.

 33So shall my righteousness answer for me in time to come, when it shall come for my hire before thy face: every one that is not speckled and spotted among the goats, and brown among the sheep, that shall be counted stolen with me.

 34And Laban said, Behold, I would it might be according to thy word.

 35And he removed that day the he goats that were ringstraked and spotted, and all the she goats that were speckled and spotted, and every one that had some white in it, and all the brown among the sheep, and gave them into the hand of his sons.

 36And he set three days' journey betwixt himself and Jacob: and Jacob fed the rest of Laban's flocks.

 37And Jacob took him rods of green poplar, and of the hazel and chesnut tree; and pilled white strakes in them, and made the white appear which was in the rods.

 38And he set the rods which he had pilled before the flocks in the gutters in the watering troughs when the flocks came to drink, that they should conceive when they came to drink.

 39And the flocks conceived before the rods, and brought forth cattle ringstraked, speckled, and spotted.

 40And Jacob did separate the lambs, and set the faces of the flocks toward the ringstraked, and all the brown in the flock of Laban; and he put his own flocks by themselves, and put them not unto Laban's cattle.

 41And it came to pass, whensoever the stronger cattle did conceive, that Jacob laid the rods before the eyes of the cattle in the gutters, that they might conceive among the rods.

 42But when the cattle were feeble, he put them not in: so the feebler were Laban's, and the stronger Jacob's.

 43And the man increased exceedingly, and had much cattle, and maidservants, and menservants, and camels, and asses.