Unbiased Facts About the NextGen Consoles -Revisited-

[jetrii]

ssj12 said:

jetrii said:

Zones said:
"I'm still firm in my opinion that Xbox's superiority over ps2 was much greater than ps3 over 360. Check!"

Funny how the best looking game of last-gen was available only on PS2.

 

I don't think that you are arguing against it, but just to clear things up for those that may get the wrong impression from your post, the xbox was superior to the PS2 in practically every way. You won't find a single competent developer that will argue otherwise.  Now that we have that cleared, the reason why a PS2 game can look better than an xbox game is because more effort was put into the PS2. It's that simple. If the same effort had been put into the xbox game, it would have looked more amazing. There is no secret PS2 trump card or anything, it is just effort.

 

Although the PS3 is more powerful than the Xbox 360, Killzone 2 is a result of effort, not because of that power. Sure, it helped, but had that much effort been put into an Xbox 360 game, then it would have looked amazing as well. Sony wanted to have one game that tried to match the hype it had so it sank a lot of money into it. 

 

I know it's a little bit of a rant, but I just don't want any fanboys to get the wrong opinion when it comes to PS2 vs Xbox.

 

@ssj12

Fact 2 :  This is indeed true. Sony has ALWAYS over-promised and under delivered. Toy Story graphics on PS2? Toy Story graphics on PS3? No. 2 Teraflop powerhouse? No. 3 gigabit ports and the ability to act as a router? No. 1.8 Teraflop GPU? No. I watched in horror as the PS3 went from the powerhouse Sony promised into the pitiful (by comparison) machine it is now. Still more powerful than the 360, but pitiful compared to what Sony promised.

Fact 4: You are also incorrect here. There is no such claim. It is an accepted industry fact that the PS3's data transfer times average out to be slower than the Xbox 360s. 

Fact 5: Also incorrect. The PS3 has more potential power than the Xbox 360. This is not myth, it is a fact. However, how much power will actually be extracted it another story. Give a developer 10 years and they will extract more power out of the PS3 with every game. So this is indeed true.

Fact 6: A lot of developers use XDR ram to store video textures since the PS3's GPU ram is not enough, something which slows down XDR a lot. And "a few mb" is actually a lot. Don't try to underplay it, it is one of the PS3's biggest weaknesses against the Xbox 360. This is another reason why the PS3 requires game installs. The Xbox 360 can hold more of the game in memory while the PS3 has to copy it and load it from the hard drive because loading it from the disc would be too slow. Slow read speeds + low memory = required use of hard drive.

Fact 7: You are passing your bias and unlikely opinion as fact. Nice try, but no. So far, the numbers point in the other direction.

 

Please don't enter a technical discussion without any technical proof. Thanks.

 

 

Fact 2 - He was talking about the games in his comment, I hit back with games. I didnt even say anything about the technical side did I? nope.

Fact 4 - I have seen and done load time tests on some 3rd party games. Its a toss-up mattering the games. Still you cannot denie the fact the NXE allows the same installs that the PS3 does.

Fact 5 - Again, it is a game comparison. Pervious attempts show promise. Yes in 10 years we will see massive potential but its the games leading up that shows greener pastures.

Fact 6 - True but HDD use is better than Ram use, another reason why digital distribution is far superior to physical mediums. RAM + HDD > RAM + CD/DVD Drive.

Fact 7 - Goto Chartz than Hardware from launch. Compare current week PS3 is on versus the week the 360 had in its life. Also look at the fact that the PS3 is 50 weeks younger than the 360. Fluctuating gaps due to price drops before the holiday season does not make a sturdy ground to predict the future. What will happen if Sony drops the PS3 $100 this holiday and outsells the 360?

Fact 2: I'm sorry about this one, I misread your statement (even if I don't agree with some of it.)

Fact 4: Actually, a lot of games do take longer to load on the Playstation 3. It may not be too much longer, but it is a bit longer. There is a very long and interesting thread somewhere on Beyond3D if you can find it. I don't know which games you tested, but if they had an install (counts as 1 huge load time as far as I am concerned) or if they were popular games, they may have been better optimized for the PS3. A lot of lesser known multi-plat games do load slower on the PS3. And no, NXE and PS3 installs are completely different. NXE lets you install any game mainly to reduce DVD noise and to speed it up a bit. PS3 installs are mandatory for some games and you can't install the entire game onto the console even if you wanted. 

Fact 5: You cited a few games and that's suppose to change an established fact? Even if every single game looked better on the 360 and PS3 developers decided to use stick figures out of pure lazyness, that won't change the fact that the PS3 has more potential than the Xbox 360.

Fact 6: Your argument is flawed because using that logic I can optionally install a game onto the Xbox 360 and it would benefit from more ram and having the full game on the hard drive, versus just part of the game and less memory on the PS3. And no, if it allows the same load times, Ram + DVD is better since you don't force the user to sit through 1 huge load time to install the game. Say what you want, but installing a game is a load time. How would you feel if you stuck a game into your PS2 and it took 10 minutes to start? Would you say "What the hell? What kind of load time is this?" or "That's cool, it's just copying it to the hard drive, at least I will have managable load times in the future! Yay!"

Fact 7: That is irrelevent. Gamers could have been waiting to see how the PS3 turns out before making their purchasing decision. You compare the PS3 and Xbox 360 to the current market condition, not to the past. It doesn't matter if Sony is doing better in year X than Microsoft did in year Y, the console may have started at different times but they are competing at the present. History != future because the market chances to rapidly.