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IllegalPaladin on 31 January 2009
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Onyxmeth said:
IllegalPaladin said:

He's well aware of the problems, but that was the point of what he was writing. The issue here is that Games For Windows is being forced fed into games meaning you can't get around it. Because of this, the writer is unable to do what he's supposed to be doing.

Also, the problem with simply avoiding Windows Live is that it would mean avoiding any game that it's forced to work with. I'm not sure here, but does anybody know if you're forced to use Windows Live even if you buy something like Fallout 3 from Steam?

Unable to do what he's supposed to do? When I'm at work, I don't get to use a lot of excuses to miss assignments. This in particular would never fly at anywhere I have worked:

Checking on how other game journos were doing revealed that the only proven fix was to completely re-install Games for Windows, then redo all the updates presumably. It’s at that point I decided it probably wasn’t worth the effort. Early reports suggest the DLC is less than two hours long and weighs in at a 350MB download – if I spent much longer fiddling then I’d have spent more time installing it than playing it.

So other journalists managed to fix the problem and get their reviews out, but this gentleman has principles and that says he just can't deal with this problem for over two hours because then it would be longer trying to install than actually playing it. That's very professional. What I find the funniest is that this was his last solution when checking on the internet for people that have fixed this should have been his first, as opposed to fiddling around and interrupting his entire office's work dealing with a minor issue for almost two hours.

It seems to me you can avoid Windows Live if you want the game. Didn't the gentleman say it's on Torrent sites? That sure seems like a ridiculously easy way for a guy that legally owns the download code for it to acquire a quick working copy for a review, don't you think? However then he would have had to actually do his assignment, instead of wasting time getting nothing done and publicly letting Bethesda know he will not be reviewing their game they were nice enough to provide him with for those purposes.

The reason you need Live Windows to download this and not Fallout 3, which is on Steam, is because Microsoft paid for this DLC. Excuse them if they don't want it to be purchased on a competitor's service. Maybe MS should let the Playstation 3 crowd get the DLC they paid for also.

 

I agree that he could have done a better job on getting the problem to work, I'll conceed to that as one of the first things I do is start searching google and forums for an idea of how to fix a problem I'm faced with. My standpoint here with GFW is that it's been limping since it came out and there will still be GFW enabled games and you'll have no choice if you want to play those games. Now that it's free it can get some slack, but I don't believe it's worth using over games utalizing something like Steam.

No, looks like it still requires Windows Live even if you torrent it (a quick google search for comments on torrent sites). Doesn't look like you could bypass it like you could EA's DRM on their latest games by torrenting. Thus, you'd have to work with Windows Live and create an account.

I also looked for GFW on Fallout 3 through Steam, it's basacially like buying the disk from a retail store so you'd have to install and work with Windows Live (like the Konami/GameID for MGS4). What I was asking was similar to EA's DRM being in disk versions of the game and not through Steam (I wasn't asking about finding the DLC).