Khuutra said:
windbane said:
Khuutra said:
blue-lady said:
Khuutra said:
blue-lady said:
scottie said:
You're basing this off the mistaken belief that Halo 1 brought FPS to consoles I assume?
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Not at all.
I'm basing it off the highly substantiated notion that Halo 1 made FPS relevant on consoles at large.
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A strong argument could be made that Goldeneye made console First Person Shooters relevant four years before Halo tried.
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No.
Goldeneye didn't spawn a mass of shooters. In itself it was an awesome and massively popular game. I got an N64 JUST for it.
But it didn't spawn the culture of shooters Halo did.
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I'm trying to figure out if you're serious and I'm coming up blank, here. What other massive shooter franchises did Halo spawn, exactly?
And that doesn't change the fact that you're moving the goal posts, here. Goldeneye sold as well as the original Halo on a smaller userbase and is still played to this day. It completely legitimized the consoles as a platform for capably made shooters in 1997.
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and before you go arguing semantics with the word legitimize again, look at what your response was. He said that Goldeneye didn't spawn a mass of shooters and that Halo did.
You acted like that was ridiculous to say and then asked what franchises it spawned. I gave you a long list of those.
You then say Goldeneye was more successful than the original Halo, which may be true, but it was not on a smaller userbase because the N64 sold 32 million and the Xbox sold 24 million and Halo was a freaking launch title.
His point remains. I gave you that, like Wolfenstein on PC, Goldeneye "legitimized" the genre but it sure wasn't close to PC games. Other than that, you have no reason to question his statements and are wrong.
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You cannot even begin to pretend that Halo spawned the Tom Clancy games and Call of Duty and Medal of Honor. If you go down that route I can reject everything you say out of hand.
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you have already proven yourself to be wrong (Goldeneye having a smaller userbase?!), but like I've already told you: CoD1, CoD2, and CoD3 were made for console only. The first 2 weren't the PC versions, they were spinoffs, and CoD3 was console only. If that doesn't denote a shift to console, I don't know what to tell you.
The Pandora Tomorrow multiplayer had spy vs merc, which you apparently know nothing about, but to say that wasn't influenced by Halo pulling off mulitplayer on console is crazy. microsoft established the online infracture to pull off games like that on consoles.
MoH deserves credit for the PS1 release, but it wasn't near the game that Halo was and it didn't spawn a bunch of shooters like Halo did.
