Gay Rights - Why is this an issue?

[appolose]

The_vagabond7 said:

In a real world situation your way ends in world wide religious war, Apolose :)

Akuma doesn't believe the bible teaches to treat gays as second class citizens, and as an atheist I think Christianity as it exists is extremely flawed and wrong. But trying to make such referendum a nationwide goal would be disastrous, and end violently. Lobbying congress to say "Christianity is false" is not an effective method or argument. How would you even try to refute Islam to Muslims are Judiasm to Jews? It won't happen because religion makes itself unfalsifiable. Saying "do not impose your religious beliefs on others, we should be working towards liberty and protection as a common goal for all people" is effective. Again, real world application is far more important than linguistic exercise.

You say "Either forcing morality is wrong, or forcing a ban on murder is wrong. You can't have it both ways.", actually you can, look outside your window. It exists as both. The reason is pragmatism. Forcing a ban on murder is self preservation that allows liberty and protection. You can argue that it's "wrong" but everyone will disagree, thusly invalidating the assertion. Reality always wins over logic, just ask any Quantum physicist. If I have 2 apple and you have 2 apples and somehow put together we now have five apples, I'm going to believe reality, not an equation.

 

But also in a real-world situation, consitency holds some water, too.  Suppose Obama, after having said,  "I will not raise the taxes of the middle class", then does it, that inconsistency would be a problem, would it not?  It's not just linguistic gymnastics; it's position, something we all must have and hold.

"You say '"Either forcing morality is wrong, or forcing a ban on murder is wrong. You can't have it both ways."', actually you can, look outside your window. It exists as both. The reason is pragmatism. Forcing a ban on murder is self preservation that allows liberty and protection".

Liberty except for the murderers, of course.  And how does that mean both can be sustained?  So it keeps people alive; does that make it uncontradictable?  The point is, one is true and one is false.  Sure, you can do both at the same time, but you must realize one is false. 

Quatnum mechanics is not illogical; it just defies Newtonian physics, which is not logic incarnate.  Say, for example, in some circumstances a "particle" can appear out of nowhere, according to quantum mechanics.  That isn't illogical; why can't one just appear?  We've jut never yet observed it.  And while I'm certainly no expert on quantum mechanics, I would think quite a bit of math is used to derive principles of the theory, which is, of course, a logical process.