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Ya know what I find amusing - comments about how Wii isn't stealing PS3's demographic - I've seen em in this thread and in a lot of other threads.

They always look back at PS2's 130-140 million userbase and seriously believe that PS3 will easily reach that because the PS2 users are "going to upgrade eventually"

People need to start realizing just how big the "casual" userbase of the PS2 was - PS2 was THE casual system last gen. Therefore, a vast majority of the userbase was casual gamers - the same casual gamers who's hearts were won over by the Wii this gen.

If you want proof, just look at the game sales last gen - the highest selling games are GTAs - which are "not" hardcore games, they are as mainstream as games get. The highest selling games in "hardcore" genres of games are Final Fantasy X (7.95mil) and Metal Gear Solid 2 (5.58mil). There's a lot of racing but I have trouble considering racing "Hardcore" because most of the people I know who play Racing games, ONLY play racing games.

So consider this - "Hardcore games" on PS2 sold on average to less that 1/10th of the userbase, (therefore, you could estimate that less that 1/10 of the PS2 userbase were "hardcore" gamers).

Coming back to the OP - can a they "seriously" claim to be the driving force of the industry when so much of their past userbase (and potential future sales) has moved to another console.