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again, which one of those games in the pointless list includes a platforming level editor that lets you share individual pieces as well as levels on a youtube-like server?

your only innovation from Mario 64 was a rotating camera. I gotta tell ya, God of War did pretty well with a fixed camera. so it didin't change all future 3D games, just adding another method to use. Even if you say that's so innovative, it's only 1 element of the overall game. it's not like a new genre was created, and yet the game is still considered innovative.

Just tell me what game is like LBP, especially on consoles, but even on PC. You list a lot of games with level editors but that's not the innovative aspect, it's the implementation. As per my definition, found on dictionary.com, using a different method is an innovative activity.