| mrstickball said: Did you notice that in my post, I said that 'Pro-lifers need to work to change adoption laws'? I understand that adoption laws are poor, as well as the system that the kids are in. If abortions are correlated with poor adoption/foster care, then it's paramount that those laws are changed to ensure that human life isn't snuffed out for selfish reasons. If life doesn't begin at conception, when does it begin? Does it begin when the baby's heart beats at ~9 weeks? Is it when the thalamus develops and the baby can feel the pain at 8 weeks (of which, most abortions happen around that time. It's not like the baby doesn't know what's going on when it's getting ripped apart)? Is it at around the time of the youngest surviving premature baby at 21 weeks? I don't get how it's scientific to say that a fetus isn't a human, and property of someone when it's inside the womb, and magically gains all the rights as a nation's citizen when it's delivered. When should the cutoff be to when you can legally smash a baby in the face with a hammer to kill it? 6 months? 1 year? Before it leaves the hospital? Say your pro choice, but answer that question for me, 'cuz I'd really like to know.
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And how is it scientific to claim that being a person begins at conception either? Thats the point - there is no scientific definition of personhood.
Where did you get your information that a baby can feel pain at 8 weeks? According to my source it is not until 29-30 weeks that a fetus is likely to be able to feel pain.
To be honest I think the current cut-off (around 23 weeks I think?) is about the right time for the cutoff for abortions, it gives plenty of time for the choice to be made.
