Is Chess a casual game?

[Wii_R2_Hardcore]

frybread said:

Wii_R2_Hardcore said:
No, I think there are casual and hardcore games, and harcore and casual players too. Game sites are calling chess video games casual games because they think that videogames that recreate the reality, simulation games, are casuals. Games which create a new reality or are just not based on the reality or fictional are hardcore.
Chess is the best example of a "before video games" hardcore game. I dont think is easy to play, is very deep and very competitive. It also (the board game) represents a non existing reality (medieval battles).
Kasparov once said about his profession "my hands are full of blood, I am a fighter"
So as a board game it is a hardcore game. As a video game it is casual because you dont have to know anything else but the rules of the real game. If a casual gamer, like I am sometimes, believing the reviews or recomendations of expirienced gamers follow the advice of playing Metroid Prime Corruption is gone to have a hard time. I discovered that in order to fully enjoy that game, should have played the previous versions, which I didn´t. It is the Hardcore game for definition, it is based on an alternative reality or fantastic non existing world, and you are supossed to have knowledge about all that. A chess video game? You just have to know the real chess, which a lot of people, not neccesarily video gamers, already know how to play.
So in conclusion, as a board game is hardcore.
As a video game is casual, but it can be played in a hardcore Kasparov way.

So in other words,

Fiction: Hardcore

Non-fiction: Casual

 

Meaning that Silent Hunter III is casual, and Bookworm adventures is hardcore?

 

Yes. That is basically my point. About the games you are proposing as examples, I cannot contradict because I am way more casual than you and I don't know them.

Just consider this:

CASUAL GAMES:

 

Wii fit

Wii music

Wii Sports

Cooking Mama

Nintendogs

Guitar Hero

 

Hardcore Games

Final Fantasy

GTA

Metal Gear Solid

Zelda

Gears of War

 

Ok, the thing here is that there are few Absolute casual or hardcore games. Lots of games can be in between.  And yes, both of this list can be played in a harcore or casual way. BUT, the casual list may too shallow for a hardcore gamer to enjoy, and the gameplay of hardcore list too complex for the casual to find fun to play.

How do you play tennis? Swing the raquet or Wiimote, just like in real life

How do you play the drums? Hit them with the sitcks or Wiimote and Nunchuk  ...just like in real life

How do I cook. Stir to mix the ingrediendients on a bowl with a spoon or the Wiimote ...just like in real life

How do I play the guitar, well grab the real guitar or plastic guitar ...just like in real life

How do I pet my dog? Well caress its head with your hand or stylus. ...just like in real life

How do I play chess? Select a piece and move with your hand or wii pointer ...just like in real life

 

How do I cast a spell In Final Fantasy? which are the buttons I should press? Oh here comes another menu... What do I do now? (oh, forget it. This is no fun)

How do I steel a car? just press x (Not like in real life)

                                                              ....And I think you know what I mean

 

So I think games are aimed mainly to hardcore gamers may be called hardcore, and games aimed mostly to casuals can be called casual games. But you can always try to play them in a casual or hardcore way.

For those people who say that the Wii has mostly casual games, I don't disagree. But Wii owners still can choose some hardcore games from its library like Zelda, Super Mario Galaxy, Metroid Prime, Resident Evil 4, etc, etc, etc. Those 4 games I just mentioned I played and found them awesome. But I have a Wii for my family. My wife loves Cooking mama, guitar Hero and so on. My four years son loves Rayman, SuperMario Party 8, and loves to watch me play any Mario game.

And there are tons of games which are bridge games, not absolute hardcore, not absolute casual, maybe a little bit of both which most of us love to play together like Star Wars the complete Saga, Super Mario Kart, Wii sports and Wiiplay and others I don't recall.

Actually I think there are a lot of hardcore games for the Wii which I haven't come to like yet, because maybe they are just bad hardcore games like: The godfather, Scarface, Accent Core, Red Steel, Opoona, Need for Speed, etc...

So yes Fiction+"videogame tradition and videogamish gameplay"=hardcore

Simulation of Reality+simplified pick and play gameplay=casual.

What I strongly disagree is Casual=stupid or bad games. Hardcore=smart or good games. They are just for different tastes