Ground troops in Gaza. Give me one good reason why this is needed?

[Comrade Tovya]

superchunk said:
"Therefore, since the Arab nation are forced into silence to avoid internal mutiny, how exactly do expect your plan to work?"

I have also answered this question in our other discussion in other threads in great detail.

Israel must make the first real step. It must free up restrictions and actually hold a real truce.

It must state sit down with the Arab league (or a select influential group) and fundamentally agree to the premise that it will give back Golan Heights and the greater majority of WB.

It must state that while Right of Return is an impossibility, it will give $$$$$$ and specific details of assistance to rebuild Palestine.

It must at the same time start to actually vacate settlements that are obviously not in consideration for permanent status.

Above all the Palestinian trying to grow his olives must be able to actually see real hope in their future.

It must crack down on settler and IDF violence with a zero tolerance policy.

These actions will remove the support Hamas gets. Hamas will become weak and PA, as corrupt as they are, will be able to regain control and with the right amount of support from ISrael, also be able to ensure violence is squashed.

Israel has to make the first moves. They hold all of the cards.

 

Okay, ONCE again...

You: "Israel must make the first real step. It must free up restrictions and actually hold a real truce."

Israel went on a 100% truce, and Hamas still fired rockets into Israel.

You: "It must state sit down with the Arab league (or a select influential group) and fundamentally agree to the premise that it will give back Golan Heights and the greater majority of WB."

The Golan Heights has nothing to do with the Palestinians, and only the Syrians which is not party to this particular "peace process"

You: "It must state that while Right of Return is an impossibility, it will give $$$$$$ and specific details of assistance to rebuild Palestine."

Israel does this now.  It provides economic aid at this moment, even though the Palestinians call Israel "the enemy".  Therefore, it can be safely assumed, that should the Palestinians called israel, "our friend", then at the very least economic aid would remain, but more than likely increase.  Hell, half of the planet's free-market economies have poured (and continue to pour) money into the Palestinian territories, but the Palestinians keep destroying their own industry.  After Israel withdrew from Gaza (in Gush Katif) they left behind an intact agricultural infrastructure, and the Palestinians came in and on day one destroyed the greenhouses... so, your point in kind of mute.  They were given the agricultural industry as a gift from the EU, and the Palestinians destroyed it.  That's just ignorant.

 

You: "Above all the Palestinian trying to grow his olives must be able to actually see real hope in their future."

The first "hope for their future" starts in their own backyard.  They need to disposses the Hamas leadership that continues to tear down what their own people build.  Bitch about the Israelis all you want, but it looks foolish when you elect a leadership that has promised you that they intend to bring war... if the Palestinians want hope, they need to embrace peace as the first option.  And they have not done this.

 

You: "It must crack down on settler and IDF violence with a zero tolerance policy."

IDF "violence" as you call it is a response to terrorism and rockets being fired into Israel.  Stop strapping bombs on your kids and shooting rockets at schools, and then there is no reason for the IDF to respond to such threats.

 

you: "Israel has to make the first moves. They hold all of the cards."

Israel made the first move, they have declared one truce after another, and remained non-reactive to terrorism... but you can only remain silent for so long.  Palestinians hold all of the cards, because if they Palestinians renounced violence as a means to independence, they would already have a country.  But, as the Palestinian leadership readily admits, their goal is not simply a Palestinian nation, their goal is a nation from "the river to the sea".  They will not accept a Jewish nation in the midst of pan-Arabia.

So the only way the Jews can ever get peace is if all Israelis pack their bags and move out of the middle east... which is not going to happen, and therefore, the Palestinian leadership will never accept peace from the "Jewish infidel" in their midst.  Hence, war shall remain a standard in the region until one side completely defeats the other.  Is it ideal?  No, but Muslims cannot accept a Jewish nation in their midst, and hence there can be no peace.