@Comrade and Mrstickball,
I gave you only a handful of quotes from Israeli leaders that all demonstrate that just as the Palestinians groups have held onto the idea of removing Israel, so has Israel demonstrated removing the Palestinians.
The difference is Israel has actually had the tools and support to do so.
We can go all day with nitpicking these past bigotry and genocidal comments from all sides, but that is all besides the point.
At no time since 1967 has Palestinians lived freely or anything even close to resembling 'economic prosperity'. To believe this is just ignorant. If it were not for US policy of squashing every UN measure against Israel I would have tons of UN measures demonstrating this, however, that is not the case and I don't feel like spending the time to properly research all the video/written examples of blatant racism, attacks, murder, destruction, etc of Palestinians people, livestock, farms, etc. that has occurred over the last 30 years. But, I think the quotes above demonstrate this, especially the one that flat out described it by Rabin. That has been Israeli policy for a long time now, to make Palestinian life so horrible they will just leave without a genocide. The problem is the Palestinians desperately want their homes equally as much as Israel wants to take it from them. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that when you take away everything a man has to live for he will attack you to the death.
That is exactly what is happening here. Palestinians feel they have no other recourse but violence as that seems to be the only thing Israel and the world at large notice.
Before the first uprising they had nothing and were pretty much ignored by the world. Then they revolted against their prison keeper and what happened? The world recognized the brutality that is Israel. They saw rock throwers being shot in the heads, arms and other body parts broken by IDF, and other actions that made the world force Israel to the table. Then they got Oslo and the illusion of self governance.
However, the treatment and brutality continued. The expansion of illegal settlements continued.
"Israel should have exploited the repression of the demonstrations in China, when world attention focused on that country, to carry out mass expulsions among the Arabs of the territories."
-- Benyamin Netanyahu, then Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister, former Prime Minister of Israel, speaking to students at Bar Ilan University, from the Israeli journal Hotam, November 24, 1989.
"Everybody has to move, run and grab as many (Palestinian) hilltops as they can to enlarge the (Jewish) settlements because everything we take now will stay ours...Everything we don't grab will go to them."
-- Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of the Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, Nov. 15, 1998.
The constant attacks by settlers increased. Farms destroyed. Houses razed. Forced expulsions from homes in Jerusalem when the Arab had papers proving family ownership for hundreds of years. All of this while there was NO rockets or bombers.
I have seen video of a quiet calm protest by an Jewish Israeli group that also had many Palestinians. On Palestinian man pulled out a Palestinian flag. No weapons at all, no rocks, just words, signs and a flag. The IDF immediately grabbed the man kicking and beating him right in front of everyone including his genitals many times. Then they dragged him to a parked police car and once inside two soldiers continued his beating. Why? Because that is what happens in Israel. IDF and settlers are just as bad as Hamas much of the time.
These actions don't make it on our prime time news. US suppresses that information just like the Israeli justice system very rarely addresses these reports as well.
I don't care what you say about the actions of Hamas' military wing, I have already commented on how these things are wrong many times. The horse has been dead for a long time. The fact remains the root cause is the daily brutality that every Palestinian witnesses. The reason I had to listen to an 8 year old American born boy who after less than a month living there was crying on the phone because of fear. Fear from soldiers, who should be stopping violence from everyone, and terrorist (settlers) with guns.
This boy grew up in America with American schools for 3 years. He was never taught to hate Jews or Israel. Yet within a year of living their he and his 3 brothers had that hate. They've told me stories that I couldn't even begin to consider letting my child live through. Yet his parents moved there just before the last uprising and since their small village was a pretty far away from a settlement and no-one was aligned with any military group, it was considered ok so that they could spend at least 5 years to learn Arabic language and customs. They did learn the language.
But, now they also have a very strong animosity towards Jews that I constantly have to redirect. I have to make them realize that its not all Jews or all Israelis for that matter. To that they do agree because they did have the rare occasion to see a nice soldier and of course Jews here are no where near the same attitude and composer as the settlers there.
So, keep echoing Hamas. Ignore the facts on the ground and actions taken by Israel. Ignore the stance the Arab leaders by large actually discussed and presented Israel not all that long ago. All the while another million Palestinians are abused this month and a few hundred youths give up and decide their life is better suited to die for their cause. BOOM.







