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superchunk on 03 January 2009
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Comrade Tovya said:
mrstickball said:
Nickelbackro said:

The problem is that Israel gained its Jewish majority and nationhood through a peaceful movement of migration, and as such was rewarded with its nation status by the UN. Giving a nation such as the modern day Palestine their own sovereignty would be a horrible thing. It would be a reward for decades of violent and excusable behavior and would encourage further terrorist action due to the fact that often when you give a man an inch they'll take a mile.

Extremism and terrorism are philosophies that strike at the core of modern humanity and as such can not be given any chance to gain further foothold in the world community.

@ Esmoreit - So does that mean that the Americans (both USA, Canadian, Mexican and Latinos) should be forcibly removed from their territories as well? I mean, it wasn't their lands either.

One on my biggest beefs with the current Palestenian movement is that it seems that they are totally, and only concerned with taking over Israeli land, and not the historical Palestinean land(s), which also include parts of Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia and Egypt. Why are they not bombing Jordanian targets to get land back there, too? The Palestine territories, pre-Israeli were political boundaries defined by the Ottoman Empire, and British Mandates.

It seems that, more than anything, the Palestinian conflict has more to do with someone fighting Israel than it does with actual land disputes - The Palestinians dispute there should not be any nation there, other than a Muslim nation.

Very good point, I was just about to type the same thing.

Israel consistently gets targeted as the oppresor of Palestinians, but their own Arab brethren have kept them in camps and as second class citizens in other Arab nations.

A friend of mine close to the situation told me that the Arab leaders don't like Palestinians, and they don't like Jews, so they pawn them off on each other... kind of like the saying, "The enemy of my enemy is my friend".

They don't like either group, so they like to see them fighting each other.

 

omg, this entire post history is so freakin' incorrect its just disgusting.

@Nickelbackro Jews NEVER had a majority in the region. ok, sorry about 1700 years ago they did. Before WWII Jewish Population was less than 15%. Smaller than the Christian population. In 1948 after years of illegal immigration from Europe it was still at best around 40% or so. Around WWI, yes the very small immigration was legal and peacful, mostly. But, that changed drastically during WWII and thereafter.

@mrstickball wtf are you talking about? It's not so much a Palestine vs Israeli conflict as it is a Arab vs Israeli conflict. Plus, there was a small uprising decades ago against the Jordanian King because of his actions with Israel, that ended in a massive shelling and massacre of a lot of refugees.

@Comrade Tovya, Though I actually agree with your other post regarding the religious doctrine on killing enemies in a war of defense. But, that's not why I qouted you here. While its true that Palestinians have poor living conditions in other Arab lands, they aren't bombed and dehumanized daily. They have water and electricity all the time. The only Palestinian Arabs that are doing remotely ok in that region are those that stayed in Israel and however, they are not fully equal citizens and have unique id cards. But, I do give Israel credit for at least allowing them into the political process even if they can't buy homes in Jerusalem, can't visit certain areas, can't hold military positions (which have many great benefits), are under constant scrutiny even though a very tiny number of any type of attack has come from an Arab-Israeli.