Final-Fan said:
superchunk said:
Final-Fan said:
1. I never said you did.
I don't see how that kind of silliness helps their position. Why would it shoot them in the foot? Why don't they just show maps with them having all the green line stuff you say they should have, instead of laying claim to the whole of Israel? It's sheer madness to think they'll get any more than that, isn't it? So there would be nothing lost by conceding it.
2. But they have physically increased in size, i.e. expanded the geographical area of the settlements? |
1. Its a matter of recognition and principle. Much of it is about appearances.
2. Yes, they have. Where do you think to 200,000+ settlers from Gaza moved to? Do you think a sane person that is peace loving would want to live in the middle of Gaza with millions of people who hate you? No, these are some of the most radical die hard Israelis. That's why they had to bring in Israeli military and physically remove them. However, nearly all just moved into new homes on expaneded territory in WB settlements. |
1. But what I'm saying is that the appearance of backing down from claiming ALL of Israel for Palestine is not conceding anything that isn't completely insane not to concede. What principle is involved in that insane claim?
2. So it was indeed expanded territory, as opposed to just adding to the population in already settled areas but not expanding the settled area?
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Actually, one of my best friends lived in Gush Katif, and they got moved into mobile homes within recognized Israel and not the territories as claimed. The leaders of Israel treated the Gush Katif evacuees very poorly after the fact. Many of them still have not received the aid that was promised to them by the government.
