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jammy2211 on 02 January 2009
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Smashchu2 said:
jammy2211 said:
Bahahaha, the way you made it sound so routine and simple was funny.

But yeah, the one big huge flaw with your argument for me, is that you think the RPG genre is still anywhere near as relevent as it used to be, or that Japanese developers still focus mainly on the Japanese market. At the moment it still makes more sense for most RPG's to be on the DS or PSP, as they are now where the Japanese market holds its strength.

Japan's developers will obviously be putting more resources into the Wii but the way you made it sound... no chance, especially with the way nearly every third party game has sold on the console thus far in Japan minus a few established franchises.

I think the real trend in Japan is how they're now focusing more and more on the Western markets - the first and best signs were Capcom producing software like Dead Rising, Lost Planet, Dark Void, Bionic Commando. Konami and SEGA are both heading more into a western lead developement, even Square Enix are trying as they realise that's where the biggest market is going to be.

Dq10 really doesn't change anything. Publishers will support Wii cause they can make money on it, they'll support PS360 cause they can make money on them.

I'd say a much more reasonable argument is RPG's which are tailered to just the Japan market should head to Wii, but for a company like Square Enix who want to get a big piece of the American / European market, they need to keep supporting the PS360 and build on the inevitable success of FFXIII.

It's not a matter of my argument is flawed, but the fact you misjudge how everything works.

You say RPG aren't as importaint, I say you are dead wrong. What do you think the DS has been for? What do you think the PS2 was for. RPGs are a driving franchise in the business becuase they do well across boarders. FPSs are not becuase they sell in the western countries and can not break into the Japanese market. FF and DFQ were always good games to have as they are killer apps.

The problem with YOUR arguement is you eat up the Industry wisdon (an oxymoron at best). Take a look at the italics. It's obvious you didn't comprehend anything I wrote. Why else did I write "snowball". Why do you think I made mention of the movement to the Wii? Why? Becuase DQ will make Japanese developers more to the Wii DURR. You did not focus on the fact that I already mentioned what you said I was wrong about, a flaw in your argument.

Now look at the bold. It's obviouse you don't understand the business or business in general. It's not about making monye. It's about making more money. Even if developers can make money on the 360/PS3, it is more viable to make a Wii game. It's cheaper to developer for and has a larger install base. It's the obvious choice. "Oh, but 3rd parties don't sell on the Wii." Yeah, becuase no one is putting their resources into them. The 3rd parties want Sony and Microsoft to win, not Nintend. Sadly, they can't control it. Like many have said, the treand is already starting. They can not help the HD Bros. They will support the Wii or be left in the dust. This is why many development studios have been failing.

 

 RPG's arn't as relevent as they once were, all of Square-Enix's major franchise are selling less in Japan and Western markets (Except Dragon Quest sells more on Japan, although we've not really got solid figures for those before VIII). RPG's are not a 'driving franchise' anymore, shooters and western type games see far more sales now, I seriously don't see how you think RPG's are more relevent then FPS's. Just look at the sales of any RPG game other then FF and Dragon Quest... (especially outside of Japan).

DQ will make more RPG's on Wii and whatnot, but I was more just laughing at this idea that the west would follow. That aside, I still don't think the Wii is going to be the RPG behemoth of the past as I don't think sales will be those that the PS2 made. DS and PSP, the handheld market in Japan, is where the whole of the Japan market seems to have headed. Wii is racking up high sales but the software that's sold on it thus far isn't really RPG's. It really makes more sense for the RPG's to keep heading to DS and PSP, surely?

 The question is how do publishers make the most money, and is the only supporting the Wii in the dramatic way you try to make out honestly going to result in the best returns. The western developers certainly wouldn't benefit from abandoning the PS360 as they all have alot of high selling franchises, whereas the Japanese developers seem more and more focused on getting a piece of the western market for themselves.

 Every publisher and studio is in a different position and whether supporting the HD consoles, Wii, handhelds or a multiplatform statregy depends on their situation. Not all studios will benefit from developing just for the Wii, not all publishers will benefit from abandoning the PS360, you're simplifying things too much.

 And I think the reason most PS360 people didn't care about the DQX announcement, is because both consoles have pretty much given up on the JApanese market anyway, and most don't care, because it's no longer the important and relevent hub of video games it was a decade ago.