Hamas legalizes Crucifixion

[Comrade Tovya]

superchunk said:

Comrade Tovya said:

 

A) It did happen, and if N.J.'s experience didn't happen as you claim, then your brother's events certainly didn't happen because there is tons of proof scattered all over the internet and media that this very thing happens, and your brother's claims, well, nearly no proof at all.  So if she is a liar, your brother's are even bigger liars.

B) Ok? 

C) Denying the existence of something is the same thing as calling for it's destruction, so please don't start your "driving the Jews into the sea" and the "Jews have already drown" comparrison, because it's disgusting and makes you look like a racist pig.  I don't want Palestinians to die, and I certainly wish the best for each of them.  And if you are truly a "Muslim" as you claim (which I highly doubt is true) then you would be wise to listen to the message of Muhammad concerning the Jews and leave them alone.

D) So if I claim that Arabs attacked my home in Texas, but the media didn't report it, that suddenly makes it true?  Please...

If such bogus claims were true, there would be some media outside of the Arab world that would report it.  I know many "settlers" and they just want to be left alone, and the vast majority of those who are around them feel the same way.  The Jewish "blood in matzos" conspiracy theories without an ounce of proof has gotten so old.  Arab conspiracy theorist should be put in the same category as right-wing new world order kooks... all talk, and no substance.

E) My arguement was that AIPAC isn't a largely Jewish member organization, which you have back-tracked and conceded it isn't, so what's the arguement?  You agree with me, so let's drop this arguement then.

 

 

(above) The educated haters of Israel... it's cool man, I hate

apple juice too.

C) When did I say anything about my support of the removal of Israel? I specifically only mentioned backing up to the green line. Which is all that the world recognizes as legal Israeli land. Nor did I claim there weren't those that wanted to push them into the sea, all I said was that not recognizing its existance in maps, etc, is not the same thing as calling for its destruction via the education system in Palestine.

I fully support a two-state solution. Problem is too many 'racists-pigs' on both sides of the fence won't allow it to happen. You've got Hamas and others killing civilians whenever they can because they've diluted their morality to consider all of Jewish people punishable for the crimes of their leaders and settlers. Then you have the hardline religious zealots jews who want to continue the illegal settlement expansion to push out the arabs so they can regain all of ancient Israel plus the daily aparthied actions against the palestinian populace from settlers and soldiers alike. Top that off with the completely genocidal idea that its ok to bomb an entire apartment building because you want to kill one military leader. Its exactly the same on both sides. Unfortunately niave Americans refuse to actually read about the history for themselves and instead trust CNN/Fox and so on to give them a 'fair and balanced' protrayal of the situation.

D) I provided a couple nonArab links to Final-Fan regarding the settler terrorist actions. You just choose to ignore them. Hell, just read Israeli newspapers for enough evidence to prove yourself wrong. It happens. Sure not 100% of settlers are like this, but the greater majority are the same as Hamas' mentality.

Just hit up Google news and search. Face it, US media doesn't show you everything. Hell it doesn't even show you even half of the murders, rapes, etc in our own country, why would you think it would show the the countless actions of settlers? That's just being niave.

As I said, a rocket launch or the rare killing of an Israeli is reported. BUt, the daily mistreatment and attacks on Palestinians is almost completely ignored by US media.

Just today when I was watching CNN. It talked in great detail about the 4 Israeli civilians who have lost their lives due to rockets. Yet, it only had one statement in passing to the over 400 Gaza civilians who have died from Israeli bombings on apartment buildings. However, it did show right after that a partial briefing of the Israeli foriegn minister talking about how hard they try to not killing innocent bystanders. yeah, right.

Same mentality. Both sides are largly pushed by terrorists, who are actually the minority.

 

 

At one time I did support the "two-state" solution... but I just don't think that this is a viable solution anymore. (I'll go into my reasons in a moment)

And I don't need the media to tell me who does wrong, because I have the unique situation of actually knowing a good-deal of settlers personally, so I know what goes on and what their goal is.  And when it comes to religious beliefs, observant Jews don't mind if Muslims stay in Israel, because the laws of Islam are mostly in line with halacha and therefore there has never been a problem with cohabitation.  But, because the religious Islamic populace takes the opposite stance, this stance will never work.

In 1948, the UN split Israel into 2 states, and the Arab nations (including the Arab population of Palestine/Israel) said that they would not accept a Jewish state in pan-Arabia, declared war and invaded.  This whole talk of a two-state solution has already been tried, and the Arab world completely rejected it then, and they reject that notion now.

Furthermore, the Arabs have only lost land to the Israelis because they continued to declare war on the Jewish-state and lost time and time again.  This whole notion of an aggressively-expanding Israel is just not historically founded.  The Israelis turned over an enormous amount land back over to the Arabs after they won the war... which is almost unheard of.  Generally, the victors retain the spoils, but Israel has gladly turned most of the captured territory back over and has only asked to be left alone in return.

And don't confuse me with someone who thinks that Israel is a flawless nation with flawless leaders, because it far from that.  But without a shadow of a doubt in my mind, the system of government that exists in Israel is much more democratic and free-thinking than any other system of government in the middle east.  If Israel was a tyranical nation, Arabs wouldn't hold seats in the Knesset (parliament).  No Jew is given or has been given the same rights in Arab nations that the Arab citizens of Israel enjoy.

And as for the supposed green-line, what the hell is that anyway?  There is no such thing as the green-line... any such lines were erased after the Arabs rejected the UN resolution 181 and tried to "drive the Jews into the sea" as was their admitted goal.

I've always found it amuzing that the Islamic nations cry foul when Israel supposedly ignores UN Resolutions, but they have been doing the same thing since the UN was fouded.  Why is that the Jews should be good little world citizens and obey the UN, but the Arabs do not have to? 

Honestly, if you were to ask my opinion on the matter, the U.S. should keep out of the middle east all together... if the Arabs want to attack Israel again, that's their business, let them go at it.  But if the Arabs get the snot kicked out of them again, I say let the Israelis keep all of the territories they gained.

If the truth be known, the only reason why any nation outside of the region gives two craps about the middle east or the so-called "peace process" is because of the oil sitting under the ground.  If the oil dried up tomorrow, no one would care if the Israelis wiped the Arabs off of the map.  The only reason why the U.S. strong armed Israel into giving up it's previous gains in the defensive wars since 1948 is because the Arabs control a bunch of oil, and the west needs it.

If the Arabs were wise, they would find a way to make peace as soon as possible, because the oil won't last forever.  And when it's gone, the modern middle east will look more like the medieval version of it.  And without oil, the Arabs won't be able to support their military infrastructures, and their economies will collapse.  And if they attempt to make war against the Jews in that day and time, the world won't be there to force Israel to turn over land gained from such a war, because they won't care about an Arabic world that has no oil.