Comrade Tovya said:
superchunk said:
Comrade Tovya said:
A) I didn't say she was a "non-Muslim", I said she wasn't a devout Muslim. In other words, not very religious. Please read what I write so that we don't waste our time debating silly things.
Secondly, if you are a practicing Muslim, you'll know that there is no such thing as a "non-Muslim" in all reality. In the Sura Al-A'raaf it tells us that all human beings are born Muslims but upon becoming an adult make the decision to be unbelievers in the prophet and his teachings. Furthermore, Muhammad later taught the same thing in the Hadith Sahih Muslim.
B) Her family was tied in with the PLO and PLF, both not religious organizations, and Arafat welcomed her father because he was a close political ally and financial supporter of his regime.
C) Don't put words in my mouth, I specifically stated that not all Palestinians want to kill Jews. But the official stance of Hamas, the PLO, the PLF, and the Palestinian Ministry of Education central doctrine is the annihilation of Israel. If you choose not to believe this, read their charter's for yourself. It's not an opinion, it's a fact.
D) Don't even start with the "Jewish mobs" crap. It's the same stories that started in medieval Europe about Jews using the blood of Christian children in matzos. They are urban legends that give people excuses to lead pogroms against Jews. The whole Jewish scapegoat thing got old 2000 years ago, so come up with a new excuse (like, blaming Palestinian leaders for impovershing their own people, which is another matter of factual significance!)
E) AIPAC is largely made up of Christian conservatives, and not Jews. You are not a member of AIPAC, and have no clue as to the makeup of it, so please stick to subjects that you are knowledgable in.
Lastly, please stick to intelligent debate with me. I'm not here to argue or fight, but to have sensible debates/discussion. I do not expect people to agree with me, nor I with them. But if we are just here to sling mud and make false accusations (like insulting close friends of mine) then this is just a waste of mine and your time.
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A) Let's just drop this topic. Without pictures it didn't happen. I can upload pics of my brothers living in their concrete West Bank homes and I distinctly remember the many conversations I had with scared 10 yr old boys who had just arrived in Palestine and was terrified from the actions of Jewish settlers on his second night there.
B) ok.
C) The PA, which is what the PLO became, has already agreed to the existance of Israel in a 2 state solution. The Palestinian Ministry of Education doesn't teach the destruction of Israel, just that it doesn't exist. It has maps and such that show a whole Palestine. You can argue they are the same thing, I don't see it that way. If Israel backed up to the green line in a peace deal that all Arabs have already offered back in 2000, those maps would be tossed.
D) Read my reply to Final-Fan regarding this topic. It happens, US media just ignores it. Its definitely not a urban myth.
E) Of course AIPAC isn't 100% Jewish. They require a lot of help from other Americans who are ignorant on Israeli treatment of Palestinians and its history. Go to their site now and read the massively one-sided view on the current Gaza situation. However, also read about their history, they receive a ton of funds from Jews in the US and Israel and even work with Israeli government. That is well known. With that they are commonly considered a Jewish Lobby. I really don't see the issue with calling it that honestly. Granted you're probably right about the exact make up of percentages of members. I'm sure they are a majority or right-wing christians conservatives. Either way, its the 2nd most powerful lobby in the US and is massively proIsrael. I'm sure it has a huge push on what US does for Israel. From the billions in aid, to the never ending blind eye to Israeli actions.
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A) It did happen, and if N.J.'s experience didn't happen as you claim, then your brother's events certainly didn't happen because there is tons of proof scattered all over the internet and media that this very thing happens, and your brother's claims, well, nearly no proof at all. So if she is a liar, your brother's are even bigger liars.
B) Ok?
C) Denying the existence of something is the same thing as calling for it's destruction, so please don't start your "driving the Jews into the sea" and the "Jews have already drown" comparrison, because it's disgusting and makes you look like a racist pig. I don't want Palestinians to die, and I certainly wish the best for each of them. And if you are truly a "Muslim" as you claim (which I highly doubt is true) then you would be wise to listen to the message of Muhammad concerning the Jews and leave them alone.
D) So if I claim that Arabs attacked my home in Texas, but the media didn't report it, that suddenly makes it true? Please...
If such bogus claims were true, there would be some media outside of the Arab world that would report it. I know many "settlers" and they just want to be left alone, and the vast majority of those who are around them feel the same way. The Jewish "blood in matzos" conspiracy theories without an ounce of proof has gotten so old. Arab conspiracy theorist should be put in the same category as right-wing new world order kooks... all talk, and no substance.
E) My arguement was that AIPAC isn't a largely Jewish member organization, which you have back-tracked and conceded it isn't, so what's the arguement? You agree with me, so let's drop this arguement then.
(above) The educated haters of Israel... it's cool man, I hate
apple juice too.
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