Sqrl said:
Hate to be the contrarian but you've got this exactly wrong, and objectively so. Steve has his facts wrong, and by agreeing with him you suggest that so do you. It doesn't get much more plain than that. This is why I stopped participating in the political discussions, people just run away with their position and plug their ears while someone is trying to show them they've got it wrong. He doesn't deserve a pat on the back but probably a thwap on the head, and yourself along with him now. You guys know better than this, and its kind of disheartening that people who I've debated with in the past and seen as reasonable and logical people would be this far off base and unwilling to correct course.
That interpretation aspect is absolutely something they have to deal with as well. But the intellectual dishonesty you perpetrate by suggesting the RNC was involved in producing or distributing the CD directly isn't helping. Liberal or not (given this effects a conservative, not that liberals are dishonest by nature) you should hold the truth of the matter above the political gain that is avialable and neither you or Steve are doing that in this case, or at least that's the only conclusion I'm left with when I've stated plainly several times the facts and you've continued to state it without rebuttal. If I'm off base then explain how and why, don't just continue stating the same contested point.
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Alright, you are putting words in people's mouths now. Neither I nor Steven said that the RNC produced this song. That was clear from the first post in the article. And you are reading the word distributed the way you want to read it.
The RNC person who gave away this CD didn't create any of the content on it. No one ever said he did. And he did distribute the CD to his fellow RNC members. That doesn't mean he had a record label and "distributed" the album to the public or something. You are reading what we are saying how you want to read it even though neither of us suggested that the person "distributing" the CD produced or "distributed" the CD. Handing a CD to someone is distributing it last time I checked the dictionary.
Regardless, this whole argument is completely irrelevant. I was talking about how this is a strategic error on the Republicans part. It doesn't make a damn bit of difference to the average voter who wrote the song or who "distributed" it. All they see is the smoking gun. Is that right? No. Is that how it is? Yes.
And its not so much what you are saying Sqrl that makes you come off as sounding like you are attacking who you are responding too, but how you say it. The sections I quoted are perfect examples. Your tone is wholeheartedly condescending even though you put words in our mouths. You act like you have some heightened knowledge of the discussion even when you got what both me and steven said plainly wrong.
There is barely anything in your tone that is the least bit friendly or respectful. Its hard to have a discussion with someone who takes this tone, not to mention the fact that it is hard to have a conversation who distorts what you are saying.
Not to mention you are misdirecting all of this back at "liberals" when it was "conservatives" who were the ones who did this in the first place! It wouldn't bother me so much if you weren't just making blanket statements about liberals reacting to this without providing any evidence whatsoever, short of attributing qualities to the liberal posters here which you gather from your misreading of what we are saying in the first place, of how "liberals" are reacting to this. Its even more ironic that many "conservatives" are responding in the exact same way as me and steven are.
We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls. The only thing that really worried me was the ether. There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke
It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...." Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson
