Hamas legalizes Crucifixion

[Avinash_Tyagi]

mrstickball said:

Avinash_Tyagi said:
Not really as it was written between 90 and 100 AD at the earliest, meaning that a John who knew Christ in 30 AD would have been in his late 70's or 80's if it was him, very unlikely.

Also we aren't arguing about Nero or others whose existence is dubious, perhpas the stories of them are wrong as well, who knows, but here wae are discussing the fact that Christ's existence is uncertain

You are correct, John did live in his 70's or 80's. According to most scholars, he has been cited to of lived over 90 years. Well outside of normal lifespans of that age, but still possible, especially given the fact that Christian writers such as Polycarp, Papias, and Quadratus mentioned that there were still a few living people that had firsthand accounts of Jesus' life as late as 90-100CE. Very old, yes, impossible, no, given the sheer number of people that were supposedly witness (as citing the Bible) to the ministry of Jesus.

And I understand your scepticism of Jesus' existance. But I look at it this way:

In order to believe that Jesus did not exist, you must believe that 100% of all accounts given about him are false. But in order to believe that Jesus did exist, you must believe that 1% are true. To me, those are pretty reasonable odds to believe that he existed.

Now, like Rocketpig and others - the question is to believe if Christianity paints an accurate portrayl of Jesus the Christ, which is a totally different argument altogether.

 

Yes I know that he is supposed to have lived that long, but to be writing the gosple at that age, is unlikely, the mind starts to go in the old age, in addition memeory is lost in that age, in addition even Scholars question based on the internal evidence of the text that it was written by John , first off the Gospel was originally cited as anoymous, it wasn't until the second century that the gospel was attributed to John, in additon there are shifts in the language, which question whether there was one person who wrote it.  Finally the fact that it was written over half a century after the death of Christ is telling, why would an Apostle wait so long to write about his "savior", especially since it was anonymous writing?

 

I'm not saying that Jesus did not exist, I do not make those statements, I however do question those who believe that he existed with certainty, because it is not certain, all I am sayin is there is no certainty that he existed and no evidence to verify his existence, only theories.