| steven787 said: From 1998-2006 the media, comedians, independent journalists, and Republicans acted as if all Dems were Limousine Liberal-Womanizers... It comes and goes. I don't blame anyone but the Dems (for acting like it wasn't a big deal) and people who thought it was a big deal. The Republicans looking like racists is all their fault. I personally think it is a big deal. So you can blame me. More importantly: I don't think most people are stupid because I'm liberal. I vote liberal because I think most people are stupid. |
Did I missing something or were you conceding the point on the analogies?
@reply,
That's just being careless with placing the blame. Yes each party is in charge of its own image but that's no excuse for folks to spread FUD freely, that's intellectual dishonesty and the blame should go with the perpetrator not the party. I said before the RNC should expect some backlash for this one moron's actions (despite its non-involvement) and agree that it certainly comes with the political territory, but that doesn't mean its OK for people to go around telling folks that the RNC produced the CDs, or endorsed the CDs, etc...
Truthfully I see this thread (and others like it pro-liberal and pro-conservative alike) as serving a purpose as a FUD factory. As I said before repeat it often enough and voila it is the truth. Isn't that the point behind a liberal posting a negative article for conservatives or a conservative posting a negative article about a liberal? Its fanboyism basically, like a Nintendo fanboy posting a RROD article in the MS forum. This is how wars for mindshare are waged. Its why you get cases like this where the party should never be brought up but the war for mindshare must be waged. So the party falsely becomes the culprit as the connections are made and the FUD is tossed and before long the debate has been framed to the advantage of one side or the other and the truth ultimately gets twisted to the left or to the right. That is political strategy in a nutshell, control the framing of the debate and produce a consistent message within that framework. Thats what this thread does, it frames the debate for those who haven't seen the story before and delivers a message that hammers that framework and the position home.
Your contention with your post here is that it doesn't matter that the framework is a lie or that the message supports that lie, the people involved should have never put themself in that position to begin with. I find that to be pretty distasteful but you're right that's how politics is played.
That's basically what you're saying anyways, although perhaps not quite so cynically, and it's why even after we have reached what is undoubtedly the best agreement we are going to reach we again have the words republican and racist linked together.
As I said we've reached what I think is our best agreement possible, so I'll just leave it here for now. I'm sure you'll have something to disagree with and honestly thats fine, there isn't much politically I think we see eye to eye on anyways.
@stupid people issue,
I wasn't looking to start a debate on the this, but we seem to agree anyways so no harm.
@frank,
I can't disagree about the politicians 
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