akuma587 said:
Man, steven is on fire! I don't even have to say anything else!
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Hate to be the contrarian but you've got this exactly wrong, and objectively so. Steve has his facts wrong, and by agreeing with him you suggest that so do you. It doesn't get much more plain than that. This is why I stopped participating in the political discussions, people just run away with their position and plug their ears while someone is trying to show them they've got it wrong. He doesn't deserve a pat on the back but probably a thwap on the head, and yourself along with him now.
You guys know better than this, and its kind of disheartening that people who I've debated with in the past and seen as reasonable and logical people would be this far off base and unwilling to correct course.
akuma587 said:
Steven has hit the nail on the head, although I will clarify something. Republicans are not necessarily saying, "We are racist," but that is how most people who read this will interpret it. So essentially the difference is meaningless in the eyes of the average person. Frankly, the party has said much worse things in the past, as have the Democrats, but this is quickly turning into a mini media storm as it is getting a good bit of press circulation. Politics is never just about your intentions when you are doing something, it is just as much about how people will interpret what you have done. Any politician who doesn't recognize this is a complete moron. Damage control should take place before you do something if at all possible, not after. Edit: And as the article I posted with reactions from other Republicans said, this wouldn't be anywhere near as big a deal if Republicans weren't losing just about every minority (Blacks, Asians, and Hispanics) by double digits. Hell, Democrats are within 3-5% points of winning blacks by TRIPLE digits (100-0). |
That interpretation aspect is absolutely something they have to deal with as well. But the intellectual dishonesty you perpetrate by suggesting the RNC was involved in producing or distributing the CD directly isn't helping. Liberal or not (given this effects a conservative, not that liberals are dishonest by nature) you should hold the truth of the matter above the political gain that is avialable and neither you or Steve are doing that in this case, or at least that's the only conclusion I'm left with when I've stated plainly several times the facts and you've continued to state it without rebuttal. If I'm off base then explain how and why, don't just continue stating the same contested point.








