Hamas legalizes Crucifixion

[Avinash_Tyagi]

Final-Fan said:

Avinash_Tyagi said:

Final-Fan said:

Avinash_Tyagi said:

Final-Fan said:
I think Avinash's Wii 2015 prediction is more believable than Jesus not existing.

Well you're welcome to that belief, however that doesn't refutemy point that there is no certainty of his existence, only stories, legends and second hand accounts

But actually there is relatively high certainty of his existence, it's just that you're setting standards unreasonably high.  Second hand accounts are not to be sneered at unless there is a reason to think they are inaccurate.  You have not adequately justified the level of skepticism you are applying to the Roman accounts' accuracy. 

The fact that there is not OVERWHELMING evidence is consistent with a figure of that era who was not all that famous during his own lifetime. 

(And a novelist writing flaws into a "heroic main character" isn't the same as a priest writing flaws into his savior.)

(1)Depends on who the heoric character is.

(2)Also i'm not setting unreasonably high expectations, and there is no certainty of him existing, sorry but second hand accounts by people who never met the guy is not certainty.  Second hand accounts won't fly in a court room, and they don't fly on internet discussion boards, would you really say that a guy saying that he heard from another person that all the PS3's in a certain state wereall sold out yesterday is a certainty, or would you want some actual proof?  Somenting official?  I'm not sneering at the second hand accounts, however I am pointing out that they are not enough, I need to have something official, show me a certificate of birth or a certificiate of death, or even a work order for the construction of the crucifix for a one Jesus Christ and then we can talk certainty.

(1) Clearly you missed my point, which was that your comparison of someone making up bad things about one's fictional character and someone making up bad things about the savior of one's religion is ludicrous.  Harry Potter may be the savior of the wizarding world, but I seriously doubt J.K. Rowling worships him (despite the billions of dollars he's made her).

(2) Actually this illustrates perfectly what I mean by "unreasonably high expectations".  Birth certificate?  Death certificate?  What makes you think it's reasonable to expect that something like this would definitely have been produced?  Work order for the construction of a particular crucifix?  You must be joking.  Let alone a work order that specifies the person to be executed on that particular cross.

 

 You misunderstood my point, just because one views him as a savior doesn't mean he's not ficitional and doesn't mean that saying bad things about him is anything special

 

Ah once again you missed the point, my point by using those semi-outlandish examples was to illustrate that nothing exists to substantiate his existence, outside of those second hand accounts, asking that some evidence is needed to support a second hand account is not unreasonably high.