| playnext3 said: israel go to the hell,poor palestiniens |
We need to stop classifying it as people vs. people. Large portions of the Palestinian and Israeli populations want the stupidity to end. When you have soldiers (govt. agents) and revolutionaries targeting innocent people it's not the fault of the people, its a fucked up situation where everybody but the war mongers on both sides get to maintain power and control wealth. Talk like that might turn international support in favor of Palestine, but it would only lead to a direct reversal of the current situation.
| pastro243 said: I guess you could say similar things about the US, they have the death penalty, you could argue that crucufixion is less human, but its death penalty after all. And I doubt they do it to anyone. Also, Im not sure about it, but if saddam was killed by the orders of the US, the way he was killed is brutal as well. |
I am against the death penalty, but there's a difference between a fast death and a slow death.
Spikes about 7 inches long and 3/8 of an inch in diameter were driven into the wrists. The spikes would hit the area of the median nerve, causing shocks of pain up the arms to the shoulders and neck. Already standing at the crucifixion site would be the 7-foot-tall post, called a stipes. In the center of the stipes was a crude seat to “support” for the victim. The patibulum was then lifted on to the stipes, and the victim’s body was awkwardly turned on the seat so that the feet could be nailed to the stipes. At this point, there was tremendous strain put on the wrists, arms and shoulders, resulting in a dislocation of the shoulder and elbow joints. The position of the nailed body held the victim’s rib cage in a fixed position, which made it extremely difficult to exhale, and impossible to take a full breath. As time passed, the loss of blood and lack of oxygen would cause severe cramps, spasmodic contractions and probably unconsciousness.
Ultimately, the mechanism of death in crucifixion was suffocation. To breathe, the victim was forced to push up on his feet to allow for inflation of the lungs. As the body weakened and pain in the feet and legs became unbearable, the victim was forced to trade breathing for pain and exhaustion. Eventually, the victim would succumb in this way, becoming utterly exhausted or lapsing into unconsciousness so that he could no longer lift his body off the stipes and inflate his lungs. Due to the shallow breathing, the victim’s lungs would begin to collapse in areas, probably causing hypoxia. Due to the loss of blood from the scourging, the victim probably formed a respiratory acidosis, resulting in an increased strain on the heart, which beats faster to compensate. Fluid would also build up in the lungs. Under the stress of hypoxia and acidosis, the heart would eventually fail.
I'd take lethal injection anyday.
I would cite regulation, but I know you will simply ignore it.
