| Comrade Tovya said:
A) I get what you are saying, and I am not saying that "Heaven" as a destination is not possible. My simple point is that one should not tell people that they are "going to Heaven" for performing a certain action, because the truth be known, that person has no idea where the final destination of the righteous is. They may think that they have a good idea of where, but they do not know for sure, so it wouldn't be wise to play God and tell someone that it's Heaven or Hell... because the Bible certainly does not say that Heaven is the destination of the righteous. B) Okay, well, at least one topic is dead ;) C) Right, righteous and/or holy beings can go before God because God's holiness would not strike down a pure being. Like I said, there is a long explination for this concerning the Aron haBris (Ark of the Covenant) and the temple. The rules for the Kohanim and Leviim and their ability to stand before the Holy of Holies and the Ark is very specific as to the rules for purity so that they would not drop dead in the presence of the spirit of God. Satan, if he were truly rebelious and evil, would not meet the requirements for purification... like I said, it's hard to explain this to a Christian because they have not been raised to understand the requirement of emmersion in the mikvah, the standards for keeping the Holy rules of eating per the laws of kashrus, and so many laws that it would take years for you to learn them. Like I said, that's why Christians just don't get it. You have to be raised in a Observant Jewish household, go to day school, etc to understand these rules of purification and standing before God at the alter. That's why there were a select few who were deemed worthy within the priestly sect. So, until the end of time, Christians will continue to bang their heads against a wall because we cannot be converted... because they just don't understand what we know. A Jew is a "Shomer haBris"... and that's something that a Christian cannot understand. D) And nowhere in the Jewish scriptures does it say that God requires perfection. So when a Christian comes along and says that he does, that Jew knows better. A Jew knows the scriptures inside and out, and like I've said before, can read the original writing and doesn't need an English (or whatever language) translation. I don't need a Christian to tell me what God said, because I can read the original words on scrolls that are hundreds if not thousands of years old... Like I've said before, the Christian has been raised to believe that God requires perfection, or, well, you're screwed without that blood sacrifice. Someone who is Jewish or a ben-Noach knows has been raised to know that God has never required our perfection, only the constant striving towards betterment. Once again, that's why Jews can't be converted with any success... you say God requires perfection, but a Jew knows better. E) Once again, there was never a need for J.C. to "take a bullet"... God doesn't require perfection.. never has, and never will. Like I've said before, if you think I am wrong, show me in the Tanach where it says otherwise. It doesn't say any such thing. In closing, Christians consistently fail in their attempts to convert Jews because they continue to ask "why" and Christians continue to respond, "because Jesus said..." I'm sorry, but that's not a good answer. It's no different than a Muslim telling you to believe in the Quran because, "Mohammed said...." You wouldn't listen, because you don't revere Mohammed any more than I revere Jesus. |
A) In that case, I'm going to have simply to disagree with you. (Another one dead!)
B) RIP
C) But you yourself said they had to meet the requirments because they would die otherwise. Satan, being non-physical, does not have this problem. So that doesn't mean evil cannot be in the presence of God. My apologizes for asserting myself so in this area; I don't want to come across like a Lego player telling an architect how to make a building, but I feel the point is valid nontheless.
D) You mean, perfection as in never sinning? Then this will probably be a divergent topic for us as well, because for the Christian, Romans (New Testament speaking) specifically says one sin equates to damnation, and no amount of works can eve redeem a person. Old testament-wise, I'd probably take a far longer time to find that theology.
E) Of course, I wouldn't be able to convince you of it that way; I'd first have to convince of my own position of Jesus. So we would have to disagree on this again; I, taking the Christian position, think sacrifice is needed (for redemption). You, at the Jewish position, do not. But in any event, this whole time I was merely trying to establish and internally defend Christian theology, not necessarily convince anyone that is was actually true.
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