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akuma587 said:

Kasz216 said:

akuma587 said:
I think America's support of Israel has caused way more problems for us than it has solved. It always ends up dragging us into conflicts we shouldn't be involved in in the first place in the Middle East.

Possibly.

I don't know. Without them we really wouldn't have an influence in the area....

plus in general the US more then any other country seems to care about taking care of jewish people after the Holocaust. (Odd since we were on the other side of the world.)

A lot of people suggest it's because of all the jewish people who moved here and that the Jewish lobby is one of the biggest in politics.

Which... i'm not sure how... what with 3% of the population.

 

 

From what I have seen, it is groups like the Evangelicals who lobby for involvement is Israel as much or more than Jewish people in America.  Or maybe they or just more visual.  Regardless, they have far more clout than the Jews.  And Jews tend to be reliably Democratic, and Democrats tend to be the anti-war party.

It does kind of give us an "in" in the Middle East, but what have we done in the Middle East that hasn't resulted in some major backlash or some kind of catastrophe.

Iran Contra?  Iraq War? Supporting corrupt regimes in Israel? Leaving military troops stationed in Muslim holy land?  Everytime we start messing around in the Middle East we just make another mess.

 

Yeah, except when it comes to israel.  That's why democrats support israel too.  As for the Evangelicals... they're... TV loud... but when it comes to Jewish people, they're always on the radio and more of a "Remember guys, Israel is good, and lots of bad stuff happened... and  that guy from Iran said he wanted to destroy israel."

Basically the Israeli people target the evangelicals more quietly (with stuff like talk radio) and spur them into action.

What with lots of people seeing Jewish and Christian people having an alliance despite traditional Islam actually being more like Christianity then Judiasm.

As for making a mess in the middle east yeah...

I kinda think that's the point.

If you can't get an in... and a large bit of the population are going to hate you. (If you actually think America stopping support of Israel would change anything i'd say your crazy.)

It's strategically sound to make a mess of the area, rather then let them gain clout.

Not the best thing morally... but I can see the reasoning that both Democrats and Republicans have in screwing with the middleast.