Regarding NIN music used at Guantanamo Bay for torture

[Comrade Tovya]

megaman79 said:
sorry man, look theres a difference between insulting your troops and insulting your gov. decisions. Figure out what i meant.

Secondly, today 55 dead in iraq suicide bombing, that is not a free country and it is not a content one and it is not a democratic one. Especially because everyone (halliburton, blackwater, etc) will be screwing YOUR taxes over for another 3 yrs, you should know what they are doing in your name

If reports are correct, for eg. remote drone bombs piloted from command stations in the US and then missing their targets, all those wedding parties and combatants "hiding out" in non-combatant houses getting blown to shit, then i think the change of government will be the best thing for your safety.

One thing, troops are not meant to be humane. Arn't they trained to kill? Again this is not an insult, i am pointing out the system that encourages fighters and not psycholigists to go to war.

 

Definitely, there is a difference between the government and the troops that take orders from that government.

And no, Iraq is not free 100% yet.  But that is not our fault, that is the fault of Islamic clerics and leaders who have turned the blessing of a toppled dictatorship into a holy war.  The irony is that Hussein was very oppresive to the same groups who are fighting us now.

We are giving the majority of the people of Iraq what hey desire... democracy.  The large majority of Iraqis want democracy, but the minority that wants an Islamic form of government (which takes away the rights of women and the social minority) are fighting us to prevent this from happening.  I was an English major in college, but my secondary studies encompassed theology.  My focus was on Islamic & Judaic studies as the publication I wanted to write for (and later did) focuses on this. 

Therefore, knowing what I know about Islam, it's my belief that democracy is a dead idea in the Islamic middle east... and that is my problem with the war.  The idea of what we are trying to accomplish is valiant.  The reality is that it is a waste of time, because despite the fact the majority of the people want it, that same vast majority are not willing to fight to make it happen.  They are more than willing to bow down to that minority that wants to keep them under the thumb of Islamic law. Hence, I think we are wasting our time, money, and soldiers for nought.

And on your final point concerning combatants whom are killed while hiding out in non-military structures, I don't really care.  It's impossible to fight a war where you determine certain areas are off limits.  The Nazis in WWII were notorious for hiding out in and using churches as fortresses.  It didn't stop us from going after them then, and it shouldn't stop us now.  As soon as you show that you are unwilling to attack certain structures, you encourage the enemy to so everytime.  Early on in the war, a group of combatants thought that by hiding in a mosque, they could kill our troops and civilians without recourse.  When we smoked them out and killed them anyway, they largely put a halt to this practice because they didn't want "non-believers" and "infidels" entering and "defiling" their holy places.

You cannot win any war without showing the enemy that there is no place where one can hide and expect clemency.  Do I like civilian casualties in war?  Of course not, no one with half-a-heart does.  But as they say, "war is hell", and you have to put your own people above the enemies' in time of war.  That's the same reason we bombed Nagasaki and Hiroshima... we sacrificed the enemy in order to save our own mens lives.  A perfect solution?  No, but war never provides the perfect scenario in which to act.