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sieanr said: I contend that the value of a console is determined by the games available for said console. In this case the 360 wins, hands down
This is certainly the case with consoles in the past, and there is nothing to suggest that this will change any time soon. As to my previous post i was refering to "Wireless + Online for hardcore gamers" I know ps3 can be wired in, which is fantastic, and hardcore gamers will do this, but a lot of people seem to think wireless will be great for hardcore, it wont be. It will be adequate, but not great. Free online is fantastic, but at the moment I have herd, from IGN podcasts and IGN posts from the editors (not whiney people who post online, OK OK so they are just editors who whine, but i at least have some faith in them) that they would rather pay for a decent online service, I believe them. EDIT: Just so there is no confusion, they say something along the lines of "I'd rather pay for LIVE as it is a decent service"