Khuutra said:
Bodhesatva said:
rocketpig said:
Boobies.
Actually, I believe a game's ability to force one to think is what makes it mature. That could be through storyline, gameplay mechanics, themes, etc.
It's the same thing as believing that Watership Down is more mature than Starship Troopers, despite Watership Down being an animated film about rabbits while Starship Troopers is laced with violence and bewbs. |
I almost entirely agree with Rocketpig, who I haven't talked to in forever and missed a great deal, btw.
This can comprise anything from Tetris to Chess to Braid.
Braid is one of the few "OMG ART!" games in recent times (including MGS, Bioshock,GTA and a few others) that I felt actually was reasonably sophisticated. We're not talking Shakespeare yet, here, but baby steps are good. As someone who has become disgusted with the facile, sophomoric stories that game reviewers have become fixated on, that was a pleasant surprise.
I'd also likely include something like Wii Fit, which does not work your brain, but does work your body. Concern over health and fitness is definitely a mature concern. This one is arguable, though.
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Man appreciating Starship Troopers for what it is isn't THAT bad. There's more to it than boobies!
And I would defend Bioshock's storytelling. It's the first game that ever made me want to put the game down and stop playing - not because it was bad, but just to spite one of the characters. The plot twist played nicely with how we approach games.
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Yeah, the Starship Troopers part I wasn't really responding to. It certainly isn't a highly sophisticated piece, but I understood its allegorical denouncement of Communism.
And I also agree that Bioshock's story wasn't mind numbingly stupid (which, in honesty, is how I would describe the story arch of the MGS series), I just wouldn't give it "work of art" or "mature" status.
Let's cut this part of the conversation short though, Kuutra, I really don't want to bog the thread down with list wars or "this counts" or "that doesn't count" arguments.
