Wii Graphics Outdated by 2011!!

[Kamahl]

Before i start, let me tell you this, after this post, i'm not gonna reply to all the points cause i'm tired of writing huge messages.

sieanr said: Kamahl said:Yeah, cause there are no Gran Turismo, God of War, MGS, FF, Uncharted, Eight Days, Warhawk, Resistance, Motorstorm, etc fans and PS3 will never get a price drop. How can there be fans of a game that has yet to be released? How many fans are there of some of these new franchises? And I thought you could do better...

I actually thought it was pretty obvious... How do you think killer apps became killer apps? People were interested before they came out, and sold millions even though no one had played them before. There have always been fans even before the games were out, and i'm sure no one can deny that.

Smashchu said: two things 1)If the Wii sold more units, then it must be better in some way to be able to keep up sales like this 2)No, the GoW thing wasn't really that valid. I was saying that Graphics are still an opinion, you got defensive and said GoW is better n00b!!11 then I said, well, thats THEIR opinion. If they like it, fine. I, personally see nothing that spectacular in it. You, on the other hand, do. Thus, it is an opinion

I see some kind of contradiction here, your first point can be applied to my point, just let me change some words on your post. "If God of War got so many great reviews, then it must be better in some way to win all those awards."

Smashchu said: Fine, but I know how this is ganna go down. You'll be like "OMG, that was a crappy vid" or "Are you teh blind?". http://www.gametrailers.com/gamepage.php?id=2686 It'ss the 2006 Nintendo world ones

Well, you were right, i am like "Are you teh blind?", but for different reasons, i asked for a God of War 2 HD video, not nintendo games...

Smashchu said: Yeah, pretty much. It will shift because of a tanget someone brings up, a joke, or a side note.

Whatever... If i cant make you see it, fine... But there's another thing, just because it happens doesn't mean they are right, they weren't discussing about the same thing, so are able to write whatever they want, but i'd still be right because they are discussing about a different thing. How can i be wrong about something i never said?

Smashchu said: Blanten fanboyism

Your concept of fanboyism is soooo wrong... Since when does liking those games make you fanboy? Hell, if Microsoft made them i'd like them too, in fact, they DO make games i like, but i only buy 1 console per generation.

Smashchu said: Being a jerk. BTW, the point was that while you may not think it's fun, everyone else seems to.

I really didn't think anyone would care, if those things actually offend you, you should go outside more often.

Smashchu said: Also, talking about "Artistic Design" that's quality, not design. Plus, better screen shots for SPM. In that GoW pic, there isn't much artistic design. It's nothing special. The SPM(while poor quality) made great use of colors and other odd ball elements. Theres more, but you used such a bad screen shot. Is better. The uswe of geometric shaps and the patterns in the sky. Definatly a lot more creative. Also, the Zelda shot is pure beauity using the magnificant sunset adds a mood setter. GoW is bit chiche, but thats besides the point.

I had more to say on this one, but i'm gonna keep this short. Its funny, you said graphics were opinions yet you wrote that as a fact. Contradiction? Yes.

Smashchu said: You had a point, then lost it though insults. Also, if we wish to use critic's opinions, many PS3 games aren't as fun becuase they just suck, can't handle the hardware, or focus more on graphics(Motorsports). Most people don't find them fun becuase the things that mad them fun on the PS2, are los in the Cell processor, but this is kind of an opinion, so I'll stop there. But, ask most people, they'll tell you the Wii is funner.

If you wanna focus on the insults and actually think i HAD (not have) a point just because i called him a retard, you are wrong. My point still stands. I believe the game you are talking about is MotorStorm not Motorsports... Now, you don't even know the name so this tells me you are not informed about the things you are talking about. MotorStorm is one of the highest rated PS3 games, and second best seller, just behind Resistance. And i'd like you to show me where they rated it as bad gameplay, actually, MotorStorm key points are Gameplay + Graphics, perfect combination. The only downside is the lack of features, and that's not a big problem, Evolution Studios already said they will release new maps, and new modes on the next months. But one line that i couldn't believe was this one: "Most people don't find them fun becuase the things that mad them fun on the PS2, are los in the Cell processor, but this is kind of an opinion" WHAT???? How many sequels from PS2 games are currently available for PS3? I can only think of Sports games which are the same, not worse or anything, and i'd say better. The big sequels haven't been released, once again i think you are not informed about the topic. Also, how can those thing "be lost in the Cell processor"? I know you said it was an opinion but explain anyway, it doesn't take anything away, it adds more stuff... Your comment really doesn't make any sense, i'd like you to explain.

Narfer said: wow. i never mentioned price. maybe i should have, but dont accuse me of dismissing price as a factor when i actually neglected to mention it at all. i realize price is a factor, obviously more PS3s would sell if they were the same price as a Wii, but would they win? not right now they wouldnt. wiis would still have sold the same amount and PS3s would probably still be 2mil behind. but thats impossible to say.

I'm confused, first you say, "not right now they wouldn't" (note that you are saying it as a fact, i didn't know you had the ability to see something that didn't happen) then you say it's impossible to say?

Narfer said: yea, but zelda has outsold all those games. i never mentioned red steal, its an alright game and got alright reviews, im sure resistence is a better game. although im sure many prefer red steel simply from the new game expirience it brings, but i wont get into that. i dont agree with your statement about excite truck, though.

Whoa... terrible point, terrible. Zelda is an old franchise, OF COURSE its gonna sell better, NOT a surprise. Almsot everyone who got a Wii bought Zelda, i know 2 guys who own Wiis, both of them got Zelda. Also, there are more Wiis out there, if there weren't more Zeldas, it would be a failure. And my statement about excite truck? there's nothing to agree/disagree with, it is a fact, most people prefer Motorstorm. Reviews and sales show i'm right, and this time, even though the Wii has more units out there, Excite Truck doesn't even win. *I'd like to mention the official sales for MotorStorm are not out, but we DO know that it's the second PS3 best seller, and that would be more than Excite Truck.

Narfer said: when i said the ps3 doesnt have any gameplay, that came out wrong. gameplay is the big thing, wii has new gameplay, and great gameplay. all ps3 arguers say is about graphics, i overreacted and said ps3 doesnt have gameplay, although it just has the old game play. here is the thing, wii can have the exact same gameplay as the ps3. but it can also have a completly new expirience. thats why its so great. it didnt do away with the old gameplay, it just added on a new way. games dont have to do the motion sensitive thing, its just there for big or small things that can add to the game. like you said, "The PS3 plays games just like we have always played them" for the past 20 some years. for the past 20 years, adding on better graphics and a bigger and better processor has been enough. then online play. all those were big jumps, just like someones post on here talked about. now, going to HD is a small jump, and online play is basically at a stand still. its good, not getting better. had nintendo just done what all the other consoles did, try to get the best graphics, sony would have won, nintendo and microsoft would have been basically tied for 2nd. even if nintendos nothing special system would have been $250, it would have still lost to sony. sony has been leading for years, so with nothing special out of the bunch, things would have basically continued. but nintendo didnt, they decided to do something different. and it got them a heavy lead in the console race, we will see about the xbox. just like with the DS, nintendo didnt do the same old thing and thats another reason it beat out the PSP.

Please, next time use paragraphs. This is where i think most nintendo fans are wrong, you assume that because it has the motion sensing controller it's good gameplay, it's not. News: There are Wii games with bad gameplay, in fact many. And you also assume that the PS3 is all about the graphics and all the games have terrible gameplay. Another thing that you never see, is that more powerful consoles, better graphics and all those things can make the gameplay better. Do you think MotorStorm would be fun on the Wii? No it wouldn't, because the Wii can't handle those physics or graphics. I think this game is a perfect example of graphics being part of the gameplay.

Narfer said: o, and BTW, the pokemon games are great. i still buy them, and im 17, call me a loser all you want, im not into pokemon, but those are good games. they sell alot because they are good. your saying that just becuase a game sells alot, doesnt mean its good, then you use pokemon as an example? bad example, i bet most everyone on here would agree, the pokemon series is a very good one, and i bet most poeple on here of any age and with a DS are considering buying one or have already preordered one of them.

where have you been living? The reason why those games sold that much was the TV show of course they would have sold a decent ammount without it but i'm pretty sure not so much. And notice that i said "they would be the BEST" not very good, they might be good, but far from the BEST. Read my post right next time. That took a while, like i said, i'm not gonna write that much from now on.