MikeB: Very fanboy. In regards to the XBox, some people dont care about wireless or the HD-DVD drive!, I wouldnt, so the extra components is a moot argument. When you slam the fact that he is including the price of HDMI cables and component cables, and the headset, its a comparison for everything that is included in each console, so you have to compare everything, its a good argument, but not the "what you have to do" And again to bring up an old argument, if you going online on a console, live is the best solution, I dont go online with my console, but its great they included that, and told you 12 months, so you'd be a idiot if you thought that it was going to be the final cost. It seems to be mainly going into first party solutions, not 3rd party solutions. PS: My vote would be PS3 is better value, but cut the fanboy crap, the new xbox seems to be priced to high for the value you get out of it.