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akuma587 on 29 November 2008
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damkira said:
Grey Acumen said:

I find it funny how quick gay people tend to throw around terms like homophobe and bible basher, as if I've even mentioned god at all, and haven't expressly pointed out that I don't really care if that's what you want. My blood and the blood of "people like me" will hardly boil if we see two guys kiss.
Yep, "people like me" must be such bigots. It sure is terrible how we make sweeping uninformed opinions about individuals based on what views we have of their group. You guys are just so much better than us, and your opinions must be far more valid than ours too.

 

But anyway, if it's connected to brain metabolism, then does that mean it's treatable? From what you just quoted me there, homosexual tendencies are being compared to a mental disorder. They treat people with depression, why not homosexuality? I mean think about it, Damkira just said; "Most people wouldn't choose that because there are so many hateful bigots like yourself who try to make life difficult for us" well there we go! We just need to do a little more research on the subject, and then soon it WILL be your choice!

So what will the argument be for homosexuality then?

Its amazing that you think I should try to change my sexuality in order to conform with what you think is right. It seems like you are the one who could benefit from some counseling. Megalomania is not generally a good thing.

and yes, it sure is terrible how you make sweeping uninformed opinions about individuals based on what views you must have of a group.

Psychology is not my area of expertise and it clearly isn't yours... So lets see what the American Psychological Association has to say about whether gay people choose to be that way or can change:

 

(Chicago, August 14, 1997). The Council of Representatives of the American Psychological Association (APA) has passed a resolution affirming four basic principles with regard to treatments to alter sexual orientation, so-called conversion or reparative therapies.

These principles are:

  • Homosexuality is not a mental disorder and the APA opposes all portrayals of lesbian, gay and bisexual people as mentally ill and in need of treatment due to their sexual orientation;

 

  • Psychologists do not knowingly participate in or condone discriminatory practices with lesbian, gay and bisexual clients;

 

  • Psychologists respect the rights of individuals, including lesbian, gay and bisexual clients to privacy, confidentiality, self-determination and autonomy;

 

  • Psychologists obtain appropriate informed consent to therapy in their work with lesbian, gay and bisexual clients.

The resolution further states that the APA "urges all mental health professionals to take the lead in removing the stigma of mental illness that has long been associated with homosexual orientation."

Supporters of the resolution, which passed the APA Council overwhelmingly by a voice vote, believed that it was critical for the Association to make such a statement due to the questions of the ethics, efficacy and benefits of conversion therapy which are now being debated within the profession and within society as a whole.

"Our concern," stated Douglas Haldeman, Ph.D., President of APA's Society for the Psychological Study Of Lesbian, Gay and Bisexual Issues, "is that a person, especially a young person, who enters into therapy to deal with issues of sexual orientation should be able to have the expectation that such therapy would take place in a professionally neutral environment absent of any societal bias. Additionally, therapists should be providing clients with accurate information about same-sex sexual orientation. This resolution reasserts the profession's commitment to those two principles."

The APA Council of Representatives is the major legislative and policy-setting body of the organization. The American Psychological Association (APA), in Washington, DC, is the largest scientific and professional organization representing psychology in the United States and is the world's largest association of psychologists. APA's membership includes more than 151,000 researchers, educators, clinicians, consultants and students. Through its divisions in 50 subfields of psychology and affiliations with 58 state, territorial and Canadian provincial associations, APA works to advance psychology as a science, as a profession and as a means of promoting human welfare.

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but then I suppose you know more about the subject than the largest profession group of psychologists in the US.

Its amazing what happens when someone brings facts into an argument...

 



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