bardicverse said:
Nice, so your retort is to use an overused expression that you apparently have no understand of the meaning of. I might as well stop the conversation here, because you have shown a true lack of how to hold an opposing view here. Might as well just call me a "doo-doo head" and run off to your mommy. Apparently you have never been into any of the mentioned lifestyles, or you wouldn't call them mere fetishes. The attraction to members of the same sex is different than being attracted to people that are significantly older than you? So gender trumps age, and the two are different? Many would disagree with that. Its part of sexual orientation for some, and they wont even DATE anyone remotely near their age. Not all, but some. I'd love to see you take your argument to the S&M community, you'd get chewed up whole and spit out. There'san entire bunch of people who cannot enjoy normal sex, and can only attain the same pleasure via this lifestyle. Is it their choice that they can't just enjoy normal sex? Is it just a fetish? Again, I think not.Yet, there are some for who it IS a choice/preference. My point at the end of it is this - some people are hardwired to be a certain way, or even more unfortunately, are the way they are due to the circumstances of bad childhood memories. Then there are others who simply have opened their mind to the lifestyle and found it to be enjoyable. I'm sure you are aware of this, but the male G-spot is found within the anus. If a "curious" guy got hit there, he'd have the experience of a lifetime, and possibly prefer it in the future, bringing him to the gay community by choice and free-willed experimentation. Do me a favor, if you're going to do nothing but use some childish rebuttle like your last attempt, just take your bat and ball and go home.
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Sigh, do you actually know what a straw man argument is? http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/straw-man.html Follow the link and read up on it for me. I said sexual orientation is hard wired. You twisted that to mean that I said all fetishes were hard wired. I don't know how you can call that anything but a straw man argument. You took what I said, and made it mean something entirely different because it was easier for you to attack. That is really the perfect example of a straw man.
And I have been into some of the weirdest shit you could have ever fucking imagined. I have also seen other people get into it. I have seen people condition themselves to get off on certain fetishes for their lovers. It is a simple bit of classical conditioning. My entire argument would be rock solid because I am willing to bet a lot of them have done the same type of conditioning, or at least seen it in action incidentally.
You second example is fucking retarded as well. Yes, stimulating the prostate (male g-spot if you will) does indeed cause a very good feeling. That is not going to make someone fall in love with the way men look though. That is absurd. Women can hit that spot just as easily as a man can in the modern day. It is ludicrous to think that someone once had a good gay experiene and suddenly they are able to swing for the other team so to speak.
Lemme boil this down to its essence though. How many people actually chose one way or another, and how many just end up being what they are? A metric fuckton just are what they are. Why are the peoplewho don't have a choice different from the people who do? Why can't everyone choose whether or not to be into the opposite sex? Your entire argument is on the shakiest of foundations because of that. When you can explain why only some people are hard wired you will have a much better chance of convincing me you have any idea of what you are talking about. I ask one last time, why is it only hardwired in some people?
