steven787 said:
Why do you insult me? I don't trust Obama, the Republican Governor's Health Department says it's real. To question it is acceptable but implies a larger conspiracy that no one wants to admit because they know how stupid it sounds. BTW, I love the part where D'Anconia goes double pistol on the shills working for Rearden. |
The HDH says they have a certificate on file, so based on that it's a conspiracy to question the document?
Perhaps if they had said "We examined the document and determined that it is authentic and Mr Obama meets all qualifications." You might have a point. But they didn't say that at all, not even close actually, although now I think I see the point of confusion. It would only be a conspiracy if Keyes were saying HDH was lying or was otherwise "in on it". But the certificate could have easily been put on file when Obama was registered when he came to Hawaii. Thus, no conspiracy within HDH needed.
Even if it were a conspiracy, for you to say "Oh this is just a conspiracy" is a dodging of the issue. Conspiracies aren't implicitly false and you don't settle a point of contention by declaring the other person stupid or just ignoring them, you show them the facts and logic proving how/why they are wrong. Pointing out that something is a conspiracy, while useful for keeping perspective on the discussion, is not a valid logical argument.
You stop a conspiracy theory with facts, not shame. Do you remember what happened to Rosie when she spouted off about 9/11 conspiracies and claimed that fire couldn't melt steel? Popular Mechanics ( I think it was them) did an entire issue on it and it was later turned into a 2 hour TV special...do you know what they said? Well I can gauruntee you it wasn't "This is just a conspiracy! Only stupid people believe this!" repeated on every page in the magazine and for two hours on TV.
No I'm pretty sure they left the emotional arguments and appeals to 9/11 victim's families out of it and instead actually explained the situation and the facts in a way that people could make up their minds for themselves because they knew the facts proved their point all without any need to rely on emotional arguments. So as far as I'm concerned every time you go back to "this is just a conspiracy", it translates to "I don't think the facts support or explain my position so I used this instead". A blunt statement to be sure, but it does no good to beat around the bush on the matter and that is truly what it says.
@rubang,
Absolutely correct. But, assuming the same circumstances as this case, it would prove you were a liar and a forger, while also transferring the burden of proof to establish NBC status back to you.