Third parties pull a fast one and blame Nintendo for their own crappy games

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noname2200 said:

The Ghost of RubangB said:

I agree with the 2nd half of your post, with the "too bad" argument and calling them little man-children.  Right on the money.

But I disagree with your view of modern art.  I think the greatest artists of the 20th century were doing whatever they wanted.  I'm not saying all artists who do whatever they want are good artists.  But I do believe that the majority of the greatest artists work that way.  My examples shall be: Marcel Duchamp, David Lynch, Shigeru Miyamoto, David Bowie, Brian Eno, the Residents, the Beatles, Frank Zappa, Pablo Picasso, Kraftwerk, Devo, Luis Buñuel, Salvador Dalí, John Cage, Bruce Cornell, Björk, and even Walt Disney.

Except that I don't like some of the people on your list...

And keep in mind that I was stating a general rule, one which even some of the people I cited occasionally broke. Fur Elise and Moonlight Sonata, for instance, were created because Beethoven wanted to get in some chick's skirt, not because he was on commission. They're also some of my personal favorites.

And Miyamoto and Disney, at least, always had the customer at the forefront of their mind when they made their stuff. From everything I've read, they didn't work to please themselves, they worked to please us, the customers. Granted, their way of doing so involved asking themselves what we want, rather than asking us what we want, but Miyamoto did not make Donkey Kong because he felt like creating a masterpiece, and Disney did not indulge himself in spending millions to make a movie that pleased him first and foremost. They both just wanted to entertain: the art part took care of itself.

In general, though, I'm sticking to my guns on this one, Rubang. Customer-oriented art is generally better than artist-oriented stuff.

 

 

You know it's funny, perhaps this is why wii music isn't as successful as guitar. I heard that in wii music you actually have to learn how to play the song (which sits well with true artists like miyamoto) whereas in guitar hero, you just push buttons on the guitar at the prompts. Wii music would obviously be the better game to Miyamoto lol