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@goddog: Cartain state rights are fine... but in one country there needs to be one law... not a different one in each state... and why should a persons vote in one state count more than that in another ??? Also a government that takes peoples rights telling them its for their own protection is fashist... sadly that happens in one way or another in every government...

I´m also 100% for seperation of government and church... but the values of every democracy are in some way founded on religious believes and we have to stop denying that... we don´t need to remove the "t" in every aspect of the government just because it looks like a cross... 

 

Oh and I´m not sorry for derailing the thread... it was cramping my style and the new topic is more interesting anyway...