masschamber said:
Sqrl said:
Wow, defensive much? I made a statement that people who dislike the game fall into a few categories and you inferred things I never sayed or even implied from it. For instance I never said you were unjustified in forming a conclusion or that Valve or the demo were perfect incarnations of the game, or really anything of the sort. Just that those who didn't like the game had a common thread where they hadn't experienced the full game yet. Perhaps you should have waited to see if I felt Valve made a mistake in the structuring of their demo before assuming I would blindly defend it?
As for your personal anecdote, it provides further basis for my assertion.
Frankly it seems there are a lot of people who are angered that others don't have the same tastes as they do. So rather than moving on and playing something else they have to come back to a forum and trash the game. Honestly though that's fine, but you should justify your reasons for not liking the game by explaining which portions you disliked and why. Of course there is a fair chance that you might assume something erroneously since you've never finished a campaign.
And I must admit I find it odd that you would say "you have to beat the game to dislike it?!?" (paraphrasing). You say this as if completing a single campaign would be considered beating the game. In reality though, your first run through any given campaign is an hour or two of gameplay (if you play on a difficulty level that suits you). I would think that by any reasonable standard you should give a game 1 to 2 hours before rendering a verdict. And even then with how replayable each campaign is it makes the assertion of "you have to beat the game" all the more ridiculous. And frankly I'm not sure what purpose you have in using such deceptively embellished statement to begin with, I thought your angle was to paint me as the person being unreasonable but you betray that when you rely on such a tenuous statement..
In any case I never said people had to like it, I made an observation about those who do not like it. If you don't like the fact that you embody that observation then don't get angry with me. Go back and play the game on those higher difficulties and actually try one of the finales (hint: you can skip to it if you have the full game). Of course, this will only make a difference if you keep an open mind, and honestly the finale's are epic because of the struggle in getting to them and the way they accent the experience as a huge crescendo.
Of course you seem to have missinterpreted my motive and heading in my first post. The motive behind my statement was simple, I was very "blah" about the demo until I upped it to expert and the game got extremely fun for me. My heading has been to help others correct this mistake as well. In jumping to a conclusion about a simple statement you've made a number of assumptions about what kind of person I am and frankly you've made the assumption that I'm some sort of blind defender without logic or reason and I find that rather insulting. So if you'd like to know my logic and reasoning then you may simply ask me, but do not ever presume to know my position on a matter until I've given it.
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I explained why I didn't like it in my first post, the 5 special enemies don't seem to be enough to keep the game interesting, and I found fighting the horde terribly dull,
They "don't seem to be", sounds like you're not really sure of yourself =P Was this the entire reason or did you have something else you weren't fond of? It just seems odd to me that you would let something like this prevent you from completing a single movie. It would be like quitting MGS4, Halo 3, or SMG before even completing the first level, you could do it, but it hardly qualifies as giving it a fair chance.
You could be called defensive as well as you continue to return to forums to defend the game and you responded with a rather long tirade about how your opinion is impirial evidence of its greatness and how anyone disagreeing with you just further proves your point,
You do realize I'm a moderator on these forums right? "Returning" to the forums is something I do just about every day =P And I'm not denying that my post was defensive, you attacked me because you didn't grasp what I said, so my reply had to be a defense of that. The difference is that I was defending myself where you are defending your hatred of a game...
The rest of this blurb shows me that you aren't even trying to comprehend what I've written. At no point did I declare my opinion empirical evidence or try to assert my greatness or that anyone disagreeing with me proves my point. I suggest you re-read the thread and grasp what has been said before you respond again, because at this point I highly suspect you're just trolling.
It was your admission that you fell into those categories I listed that further proves my point. I don't appreciate people twisting my words to make their case as you've done here, if you can't make your case on the merits then don't bother replying.
the biggest thing is you said that the just playing the demo wasn't enough to guage wanting the game you then proceed to go further down with the absurd defensive of Left 4 dead, now beating the game isn't good enough? it has to be played until it is enjoyed?
seriously Left4dead seems to have reached the same unreasonable level of defensiveness of games like littlebigplanet were anyone with a differing opinion is wrong and only proved further proof of how great it is
Seriously, you need to re-read what was said, I'm not going to give a substantive reply to a comment that is devoid of any relevant substance. Making up things you would have liked me to say and twisting my words is not a valid way to debate.
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