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Where is the cheese in Bioshock or Halo or Warhawk or FF XIII (we dunno anything about it)?

Anyway, why does this have anything to do with the whole core games versus casual games debate.

Lack of cheesiness is not a quality of a core game (?), it's the way the game is played that determines the category. Every game on your list is a core game.

No one ever claimed that core games are always serious... the best parts of MGS is the ridiculous humor, the best parts of Mario is the light hearted fun and gameplay.

It's not a question of serious versus non serious at all. Killer 7 is one of the least casual friendly games ever (least gamer friendly too) and it's nothing short of total insanity and silliness.



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