MGS4 quite simply the greatest game this gen no doubt!!

[shio]

el_rika said:

shio said:

el_rika said:

KylieDog said:

xlost7 said:

vlad321 said:

xlost7 said:
@KylieDog

wow, so much for bursting a hopeless bubble. I sure will not base my buying decision on your post. And are you a Metal Gear Solid fan?

 

What does it matter if you are a metal gear solid fan or not? That does not change the quality of the game all of the sudden. It still remains a mediocre movies with good gameplay in between either way.

 

Because if your a Metal Gear fan you could fight through it. Considering reviewers didn't find much flaws in the game at all. He just said the story was just crappy, nothing about the gameplay. I know Metal Gear central aspect is its story. But why did the story fail?

 

All told in the most slow and badly written way possible.

 

How is MGS4 badly written ? I honestly have never played a game with a better script and a more natural evolution of contexts. Is that called slow nowadays ...if in the first 2 minutes you don't cut off 3 limbs and blow up 3 heads ?

I played Oblivion, Mass Effect, Fallout 3 (as well as pretty much every game released in recent years) and i find them mediocre at best in comparison to MGS4's writing and development.

 

There's your problem. You played games that have TERRIBLE writing (ME has decent writing at times though). You want to see good writing? Play Planescape Torment, Mask of the Betrayer, Fallout 1 & 2, Vampire the Masquerade - Blodlines, Deus Ex, Grim Fandango, The Witcher Enhanced Edition, Sam & Max, Myst games, etc...

MGS4 has a convoluted story, mostly due to Kojima's lack of writing talent. MGS1 had a far more consistent story because it didn't get stuck on high morals, twists and turns (though the recessive/dominant genes stuff was a AAA-class blunder from Kojima)

 

You know, i think we kinda hit an opinion wall here, because you see, i love Kojima's style of "convulted" writing as you put it. It is actually very specific for the anime & manga style of exposition. And that's exactly what MGS(4) is, a manga with big screen movie level of production values. You don't like the style ? Fine, but that is just your personal opinion resulted from the culture you were raised in and the values you grew up with, and the same is true for the millions that love it and find it better than other art & writing styles.

And among the games you mentioned i played PlanetscapeT, Vampire - Bloodlines, Deus Ex, The Witcher and a Myst game long time ago. And in all honesty, they are simply different styles, but in no way better. They scream Tolkien all over, a style i don't like in the least, but that doesn't mean i'm calling them badly written, just in a style that says absolutely nothing to me.

It basically comes down to Eastern VS Western culture, but make no mistake, there isn't a single thing wrong with MGS4's writing.

 

None of the games I mentioned has a High Fantasy setting, and only 2 of them are fantasy. They have nothing to do with Tolkien.

Planescape Torment has easily the best videogame story of all-time. Pure masterpiece that was even compared to literature.  Mask of the Betrayer was the successor of PS:T, and also written by the best writer in the videogaming industry Chris Avellone. Deus Ex has a deep, profound story with mature themes masked by an enjoyable generic sci-fi conspiracy.

But you are right when you say that MGS4 is the equivalent of an anime because it's a fact that Animes are way below in quality compared to western live action series.

joshin69 said:
shio
To say MGS1 wasn't loaded with high morals about war, nuclear weapons and the pain inflicted by humans upon other humans would be an utter lie. Although not as moralistic as 2, 1 was as moralistic 4 and more than 3. If you cant remember then i would suggest you played them all again

Yes, the nuclear threat, blah blah. Difference is they didn't waste time on it like they did on MGS4 and MGS2, which was my point.